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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@e-mind.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, werner@suse.de, mlord@pobox.com,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@dm.COBALTMICRO.COM>,
	gandalf@szene.CH, adamk@3net.net.pl, kiracofe.8@osu.edu,
	ksi@ksi-linux.COM, djf-lists@ic.NET, tomh@taz.ccs.fau.edu,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch] fixed both processes in D state and the /proc/ oopses [Re: [patch] Fixed the race that was oopsing Linux-2.2.0]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:04:42 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990128205918.438B-100000@laser.bogus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990128095147.32418F-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Incorrect, see my previous email. It may not be strictly necessary right
> now due to us probably holding the kernel lock everywhere, but it is
> conceptually necessary, and it is _not_ an argument for a spinlock.

If you remove the kernel lock around do_exit() you _need_ my mm_lock
spinlock. You need it to make atomic the decreasing of mm->count and
current->mm = &init_mm. If the two instructions are not atomic you have
_no_ way to know if you can mmget() at any time the mm of a process.

I repeat in another way (just trying to avoid English mistakes): 
decreasing mm->count has to go in sync with updating current->mm,
otherwise you don't know if you can access the mm of a process (and so
also touching mm->count) because the mm of such process could be just been
deallocated (the process could be a zombie).

As far I can see the mm->count will _never_ have 1 reason to be atomic_t
even removing the function lock_kernel() from
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/smplock.h . 

Using an int for mm->count (isntead of atomic_t) is far from be something
of magic. Doing that change it means that I don't expect work by magic,
but I know that it will work fine. It's instead magic (out of the human
reason) how the kernel works now, if you think that we _need_ atomic_t
instead of int. 

It's hard for me to be quiet even if you asked me to go away because I
think you are plain wrong telling that we need mm->count atomic_t for the
future. 

Andrea Arcangeli

PS. You have not hurted me asking me to go away, because I _always_ do the
_best_ I _can_, and if my best is plain wrong I can't change this reality. 
What I care is to do the best I can. Maybe I should really go away and do
something in my sparetime where it's not requested to be clever... I hope
it's not the case though and that you wasn't serious.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~1999-01-28 22:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.3.96.990127123207.15486A-100000@laser.bogus>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.3.96.990127131315.19147A-100000@laser.bogus>
1999-01-27 21:38   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-27 21:45     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28  1:02     ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-28  2:50       ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-28  4:20         ` [patch] fixed both processes in D state and the /proc/ oopses Tom Holroyd
1999-01-28  6:23         ` Tom Holroyd
1999-01-28 15:09         ` [patch] fixed both processes in D state and the /proc/ oopses [Re: [patch] Fixed the race that was oopsing Linux-2.2.0] Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-28 17:54           ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 18:07             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-28 18:17               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 18:25                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-28 19:23                 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-28 19:11                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 20:11                     ` Alan Cox
1999-01-28 22:33               ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-28 22:53                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-29  1:47                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-29 11:20                     ` MOLNAR Ingo
1999-01-29 12:08                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-29 13:19                         ` MOLNAR Ingo
1999-01-29 14:14                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-29 17:46                             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
1999-01-29 14:13                     ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-30 15:42                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-30 20:32                         ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-31  1:00                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-31  8:36                             ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-31 19:16                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-31 21:56                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-29 18:24                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 22:04             ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
1999-01-29  0:17               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 17:36         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 15:05       ` Stephen C. Tweedie

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