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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@e-mind.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm+eric@ccr.net>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	"Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <H.H.vanRiel@phys.uu.nl>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Alan Cox <number6@the-village.bc.nu>
Subject: Re: New patch (was Re: [PATCH] swapin readahead v3 + kswapd fixes)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:40:26 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981222162525.8801A-100000@laser.bogus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1pv9cqjj4.fsf@flinx.ccr.net>

On 22 Dec 1998, Eric W. Biederman wrote:

>My suggestion (again) would be to not call shrink_mmap in the swapper
>(unless we are endangering atomic allocations).  And to never call
>swap_out in the memory allocator (just wake up kswapd).

Ah, I just had your _same_ _exactly_ idea yesterday but there' s a good
reason I nor proposed/tried it. The point are Real time tasks. kswapd is
not realtime and a realtime task must be able to swapout a little by
itself in try_to_free_pages() when there's nothing to free on the cache
anymore. 

Since I agree with you to run mainly shrink_mmap() in the foreground
freeing I just proposed yesterday to use an higher priority in
try_to_free_pages (see my patch, it starts with priority = 4, Linus's now
start with prio = 5). This way we are pretty sure that the foreground
freeing will be done in shrink_mmap() and so that some memory will be
really freed some way (and this will avoid also tasks other than kswapd to
sleep waiting for slowww SYNC IO). 

I agree with you with the argument that it's a bogus architecture to use
in the same way the actual swap_out and shrink_mmap() since swap_out
doesn' t really free pages....

Linus's pre-4 seems to work well here though...

Andrea Arcangeli

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  reply	other threads:[~1998-12-22 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1998-12-01  6:55 [PATCH] swapin readahead v3 + kswapd fixes Rik van Riel
1998-12-01  8:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-01 15:28   ` Rik van Riel
1998-12-17  1:24 ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-19 17:09   ` New patch (was Re: [PATCH] swapin readahead v3 + kswapd fixes) Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-19 18:41     ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-19 19:41     ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-19 22:01       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-20  3:05         ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-20 14:18         ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-21 13:03           ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-21 13:39           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-21 14:08             ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-21 16:42               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-21  9:53     ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-21 16:37       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-21 17:58         ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-21 18:59           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-21 19:38             ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-22  7:56           ` Eric W. Biederman
1998-12-22 10:49             ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-22 15:32               ` Eric W. Biederman
1998-12-22 15:40                 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
1998-12-22 16:26                   ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-22 19:55                     ` Eric W. Biederman
1998-12-22 20:25                     ` Rik van Riel
1998-12-22 21:56                       ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-22 20:10                   ` Rik van Riel
1998-12-22 22:35                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-23  8:45                       ` Rik van Riel
1998-12-22 20:03                 ` Rik van Riel
1998-12-22 17:23               ` [patch] swap_out now really free (the right) pages [Re: New patch (was Re: [PATCH] swapin readahead v3 + kswapd fixes)] Andrea Arcangeli

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