From: Bernd Edlinger <bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v17] exec: Fix dead-lock in de_thread with ptrace_attach
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 14:45:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <GV2PPF74270EBEE16FE36CF873C5C2309A9E4CFA@GV2PPF74270EBEE.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aRM2POTDTxEzeF2F@redhat.com>
On 11/11/25 14:12, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 11/11, Bernd Edlinger wrote:
>>
>> On 11/11/25 10:21, Christian Brauner wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 03:32:10PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is the most problematic change which I can't review...
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, it changes task->mm/real_cred for __ptrace_may_access() and this
>>>> looks dangerous to me.
>>>
>>> Yeah, that is not ok. This is effectively override_creds for real_cred
>>> and that is not a pattern I want to see us establish at all! Temporary
>>> credential overrides for the subjective credentials is already terrible
>>> but at least we have the explicit split between real_cred and cred
>>> expressely for that. So no, that's not an acceptable solution.
>>>
>>
>> Well when this is absolutely not acceptable then I would have to change
>> all security engines to be aware of the current and the new credentials.
>
> Hmm... even if we find another way to avoid the deadlock? Say, the patches
> I sent...
>
Maybe, but it looks almost too simple ;-)
164 sleep(2);
165 /* deadlock may happen here */
166 k = ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, thread2_tid, 0L, 0L);
what happens if you change the test expectation here, that the
ptrace may fail instead of succeed?
What signals does the debugger receive after that point?
Is the debugger notified that the debugged process continues,
has the same PID, and is no longer ptraced?
Thanks
Bernd.
> Oleg.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-11 13:46 UTC|newest]
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2023-10-30 5:20 ` [PATCH v12] " Bernd Edlinger
2023-10-30 9:00 ` kernel test robot
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2024-01-15 19:22 ` [PATCH v14] " Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-15 19:37 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-17 9:51 ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-16 15:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-01-17 15:07 ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-17 16:38 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-01-22 13:24 ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-22 13:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-01-22 21:30 ` Kees Cook
2024-01-23 18:30 ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-24 0:09 ` Kees Cook
[not found] ` <AS8P193MB1285937F9831CECAF2A9EEE2E4752@AS8P193MB1285.EURP193.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
2025-08-18 6:04 ` [PATCH v15] " Jain, Ayush
2025-08-18 20:53 ` [PATCH v16] " Bernd Edlinger
2025-08-19 4:36 ` Kees Cook
2025-08-19 18:53 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-08-21 17:34 ` [PATCH v17] " Bernd Edlinger
2025-10-27 6:26 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-10-27 12:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-02 16:17 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-05 14:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-11 9:21 ` Christian Brauner
2025-11-11 11:07 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-11 13:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-11 13:45 ` Bernd Edlinger [this message]
2025-11-12 9:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-17 6:31 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-17 15:01 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-17 20:08 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-23 18:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-29 15:06 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-12-01 15:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-09 17:14 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] mt-exec: fix deadlock with ptrace_attach() Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-09 17:14 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] exec: make setup_new_exec() return int Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-09 17:15 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] exec: don't wait for zombie threads with cred_guard_mutex held Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-10 10:58 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2025-11-10 15:09 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-10 21:49 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2025-11-11 14:09 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-09 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] ptrace: ensure PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT won't stop if the tracee is killed by exec Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-10 5:28 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] mt-exec: fix deadlock with ptrace_attach() Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-10 14:47 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-18 18:13 ` [PATCH v18] exec: Fix dead-lock in de_thread with ptrace_attach Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-20 15:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-20 17:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-20 20:57 ` [RFC][PATCH] exec: Move cred computation under exec_update_lock Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-20 23:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-21 2:59 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-21 7:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-21 9:35 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-21 11:26 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-21 19:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-21 23:06 ` Ryan Lee
2025-11-23 18:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-11-23 23:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-11-25 16:19 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-11-25 11:55 ` Roberto Sassu
2025-12-01 16:06 ` Are setuid shell scripts safe? (Implied by security_bprm_creds_for_exec) Eric W. Biederman
2025-12-01 16:49 ` Roberto Sassu
2025-12-01 18:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-12-01 21:39 ` David Laight
2025-12-03 13:16 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-12-04 5:49 ` Al Viro
2025-12-04 9:32 ` David Laight
2025-12-04 13:03 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-12-09 12:28 ` Jan Kara
2025-12-04 15:43 ` Stephen Smalley
2025-11-22 17:10 ` [PATCH v18] exec: Fix dead-lock in de_thread with ptrace_attach Bernd Edlinger
2025-12-19 8:15 ` [PATCH v19] " Bernd Edlinger
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