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From: Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>
To: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
Cc: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, mhocko@kernel.org, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	david@fromorbit.com, zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com,
	yosry.ahmed@linux.dev, nphamcs@gmail.com,
	chengming.zhou@linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	hamzamahfooz@linux.microsoft.com, apais@linux.microsoft.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup
Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 10:39:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F626EF89-1EA4-4A4E-85D6-93691B681E66@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aC_OF2hYWawIdb-_@harry>



> On May 23, 2025, at 09:23, Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 10:45:04AM +0800, Muchun Song wrote:
>> This patchset is based on v6.15-rc2. It functions correctly only when
>> CONFIG_LRU_GEN (Multi-Gen LRU) is disabled. Several issues were encountered
>> during rebasing onto the latest code. For more details and assistance, refer
>> to the "Challenges" section. This is the reason for adding the RFC tag.
>> 
> 
> [...snip...]
> 
>> ## Fundamentals
>> 
>> A folio will no longer pin its corresponding memory cgroup. It is necessary
>> to ensure that the memory cgroup or the lruvec associated with the memory
>> cgroup is not released when a user obtains a pointer to the memory cgroup
>> or lruvec returned by folio_memcg() or folio_lruvec(). Users are required
>> to hold the RCU read lock or acquire a reference to the memory cgroup
>> associated with the folio to prevent its release if they are not concerned
>> about the binding stability between the folio and its corresponding memory
>> cgroup. However, some users of folio_lruvec() (i.e., the lruvec lock)
>> desire a stable binding between the folio and its corresponding memory
>> cgroup. An approach is needed to ensure the stability of the binding while
>> the lruvec lock is held, and to detect the situation of holding the
>> incorrect lruvec lock when there is a race condition during memory cgroup
>> reparenting. The following four steps are taken to achieve these goals.
>> 
>> 1. The first step  to be taken is to identify all users of both functions
>>   (folio_memcg() and folio_lruvec()) who are not concerned about binding
>>   stability and implement appropriate measures (such as holding a RCU read
>>   lock or temporarily obtaining a reference to the memory cgroup for a
>>   brief period) to prevent the release of the memory cgroup.
>> 
>> 2. Secondly, the following refactoring of folio_lruvec_lock() demonstrates
>>   how to ensure the binding stability from the user's perspective of
>>   folio_lruvec().
>> 
>>   struct lruvec *folio_lruvec_lock(struct folio *folio)
>>   {
>>           struct lruvec *lruvec;
>> 
>>           rcu_read_lock();
>>   retry:
>>           lruvec = folio_lruvec(folio);
>>           spin_lock(&lruvec->lru_lock);
>>           if (unlikely(lruvec_memcg(lruvec) != folio_memcg(folio))) {
>>                   spin_unlock(&lruvec->lru_lock);
>>                   goto retry;
>>           }
>> 
>>           return lruvec;
>>   }
> 
> Is it still required to hold RCU read lock after binding stability
> between folio and memcg?

No. The spin lock is enough. The reason is because the introducing
of lock assertion in commit:

  02f4bbefcada ("mm: kmem: add lockdep assertion to obj_cgroup_memcg")

The user may unintentionally call obj_cgroup_memcg() with holding
lruvec lock, if we do not hold rcu read lock, then obj_cgroup_memcg()
will complain about this.

> 
> In the previous version of this series, folio_lruvec_lock() is implemented:
> 
> struct lruvec *folio_lruvec_lock(struct folio *folio)
> {
> 	struct lruvec *lruvec;
> 
> 	rcu_read_lock();
> retry:
> 	lruvec = folio_lruvec(folio);
> 	spin_lock(&lruvec->lru_lock);
> 
> 	if (unlikely(lruvec_memcg(lruvec) != folio_memcg(folio))) {
> 		spin_unlock(&lruvec->lru_lock);
> 		goto retry;
> 	}
> 	rcu_read_unlock();
> 
> 	return lruvec;
> }
> 
> And then this version calls rcu_read_unlock() in lruvec_unlock(),
> instead of folio_lruvec_lock().
> 
> I wonder if this is because the memcg or objcg can be released without
> rcu_read_lock(), or just to silence the warning in
> folio_memcg()->obj_cgroup_memcg()->lockdep_assert_once(rcu_read_lock_is_held())?

The latter is right.

Muchun,
Thanks.

> 
>>   From the perspective of memory cgroup removal, the entire reparenting
>>   process (altering the binding relationship between folio and its memory
>>   cgroup and moving the LRU lists to its parental memory cgroup) should be
>>   carried out under both the lruvec lock of the memory cgroup being removed
>>   and the lruvec lock of its parent.
>> 
>> 3. Thirdly, another lock that requires the same approach is the split-queue
>>   lock of THP.
>> 
>> 4. Finally, transfer the LRU pages to the object cgroup without holding a
>>   reference to the original memory cgroup.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> Harry / Hyeonggon



      reply	other threads:[~2025-05-23  2:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-15  2:45 Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 01/28] mm: memcontrol: remove dead code of checking parent memory cgroup Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:35   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 02/28] mm: memcontrol: use folio_memcg_charged() to avoid potential rcu lock holding Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:48   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-18  2:38     ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 03/28] mm: workingset: use folio_lruvec() in workingset_refault() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:52   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 04/28] mm: rename unlock_page_lruvec_irq and its variants Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:53   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 05/28] mm: thp: replace folio_memcg() with folio_memcg_charged() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:54   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 06/28] mm: thp: introduce folio_split_queue_lock and its variants Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:58   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-18 19:50   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-19 14:20     ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 07/28] mm: thp: use folio_batch to handle THP splitting in deferred_split_scan() Muchun Song
2025-04-30 14:37   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-05-06  6:44     ` Hugh Dickins
2025-05-06 21:44       ` Hugh Dickins
2025-05-07  3:30         ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 08/28] mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru() Muchun Song
2025-04-30 14:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 09/28] mm: memcontrol: allocate object cgroup for non-kmem case Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 10/28] mm: memcontrol: return root object cgroup for root memory cgroup Muchun Song
2025-06-28  3:09   ` Chen Ridong
2025-06-30  7:16     ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 11/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in get_mem_cgroup_from_folio() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 12/28] buffer: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_alloc_buffers() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 13/28] writeback: prevent memory cgroup release in writeback module Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 14/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in count_memcg_folio_events() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 15/28] mm: page_io: prevent memory cgroup release in page_io module Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 16/28] mm: migrate: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_migrate_mapping() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 17/28] mm: mglru: prevent memory cgroup release in mglru Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 18/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in mem_cgroup_swap_full() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 19/28] mm: workingset: prevent memory cgroup release in lru_gen_eviction() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 20/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_refault() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 21/28] mm: zswap: prevent lruvec release in zswap_folio_swapin() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 17:39   ` Nhat Pham
2025-04-18  2:36   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 22/28] mm: swap: prevent lruvec release in swap module Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 23/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_activation() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 24/28] mm: memcontrol: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for lruvec lock Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 25/28] mm: thp: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for split queue lock Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 26/28] mm: memcontrol: introduce memcg_reparent_ops Muchun Song
2025-06-30 12:47   ` Harry Yoo
2025-07-01 22:12     ` Harry Yoo
2025-07-07  9:29       ` [External] " Muchun Song
2025-07-09  0:14         ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 27/28] mm: memcontrol: eliminate the problem of dying memory cgroup for LRU folios Muchun Song
2025-05-20 11:27   ` Harry Yoo
2025-05-22  2:31     ` Muchun Song
2025-05-23  1:24       ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 28/28] mm: lru: add VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO to lru maintenance helpers Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:53 ` [PATCH RFC 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup Muchun Song
2025-04-15  6:19 ` Kairui Song
2025-04-15  8:01   ` Muchun Song
2025-04-17 18:22     ` Kairui Song
2025-04-17 19:04       ` Johannes Weiner
2025-06-27  8:50         ` Chen Ridong
2025-04-17 21:45       ` Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28  3:43         ` Kairui Song
2025-06-27  9:02           ` Chen Ridong
2025-06-27 18:54             ` Kairui Song
2025-06-27 19:14               ` Shakeel Butt
2025-06-28  9:21                 ` Chen Ridong
2025-04-22 14:20       ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-05-23  1:23 ` Harry Yoo
2025-05-23  2:39   ` Muchun Song [this message]

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