From: Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>
To: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
Cc: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
hannes@cmpxchg.org, mhocko@kernel.org, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
shakeel.butt@linux.dev, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
david@fromorbit.com, zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com,
yosry.ahmed@linux.dev, nphamcs@gmail.com,
chengming.zhou@linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
hamzamahfooz@linux.microsoft.com, apais@linux.microsoft.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup
Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 10:39:58 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <F626EF89-1EA4-4A4E-85D6-93691B681E66@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aC_OF2hYWawIdb-_@harry>
> On May 23, 2025, at 09:23, Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 10:45:04AM +0800, Muchun Song wrote:
>> This patchset is based on v6.15-rc2. It functions correctly only when
>> CONFIG_LRU_GEN (Multi-Gen LRU) is disabled. Several issues were encountered
>> during rebasing onto the latest code. For more details and assistance, refer
>> to the "Challenges" section. This is the reason for adding the RFC tag.
>>
>
> [...snip...]
>
>> ## Fundamentals
>>
>> A folio will no longer pin its corresponding memory cgroup. It is necessary
>> to ensure that the memory cgroup or the lruvec associated with the memory
>> cgroup is not released when a user obtains a pointer to the memory cgroup
>> or lruvec returned by folio_memcg() or folio_lruvec(). Users are required
>> to hold the RCU read lock or acquire a reference to the memory cgroup
>> associated with the folio to prevent its release if they are not concerned
>> about the binding stability between the folio and its corresponding memory
>> cgroup. However, some users of folio_lruvec() (i.e., the lruvec lock)
>> desire a stable binding between the folio and its corresponding memory
>> cgroup. An approach is needed to ensure the stability of the binding while
>> the lruvec lock is held, and to detect the situation of holding the
>> incorrect lruvec lock when there is a race condition during memory cgroup
>> reparenting. The following four steps are taken to achieve these goals.
>>
>> 1. The first step to be taken is to identify all users of both functions
>> (folio_memcg() and folio_lruvec()) who are not concerned about binding
>> stability and implement appropriate measures (such as holding a RCU read
>> lock or temporarily obtaining a reference to the memory cgroup for a
>> brief period) to prevent the release of the memory cgroup.
>>
>> 2. Secondly, the following refactoring of folio_lruvec_lock() demonstrates
>> how to ensure the binding stability from the user's perspective of
>> folio_lruvec().
>>
>> struct lruvec *folio_lruvec_lock(struct folio *folio)
>> {
>> struct lruvec *lruvec;
>>
>> rcu_read_lock();
>> retry:
>> lruvec = folio_lruvec(folio);
>> spin_lock(&lruvec->lru_lock);
>> if (unlikely(lruvec_memcg(lruvec) != folio_memcg(folio))) {
>> spin_unlock(&lruvec->lru_lock);
>> goto retry;
>> }
>>
>> return lruvec;
>> }
>
> Is it still required to hold RCU read lock after binding stability
> between folio and memcg?
No. The spin lock is enough. The reason is because the introducing
of lock assertion in commit:
02f4bbefcada ("mm: kmem: add lockdep assertion to obj_cgroup_memcg")
The user may unintentionally call obj_cgroup_memcg() with holding
lruvec lock, if we do not hold rcu read lock, then obj_cgroup_memcg()
will complain about this.
>
> In the previous version of this series, folio_lruvec_lock() is implemented:
>
> struct lruvec *folio_lruvec_lock(struct folio *folio)
> {
> struct lruvec *lruvec;
>
> rcu_read_lock();
> retry:
> lruvec = folio_lruvec(folio);
> spin_lock(&lruvec->lru_lock);
>
> if (unlikely(lruvec_memcg(lruvec) != folio_memcg(folio))) {
> spin_unlock(&lruvec->lru_lock);
> goto retry;
> }
> rcu_read_unlock();
>
> return lruvec;
> }
>
> And then this version calls rcu_read_unlock() in lruvec_unlock(),
> instead of folio_lruvec_lock().
>
> I wonder if this is because the memcg or objcg can be released without
> rcu_read_lock(), or just to silence the warning in
> folio_memcg()->obj_cgroup_memcg()->lockdep_assert_once(rcu_read_lock_is_held())?
The latter is right.
Muchun,
Thanks.
>
>> From the perspective of memory cgroup removal, the entire reparenting
>> process (altering the binding relationship between folio and its memory
>> cgroup and moving the LRU lists to its parental memory cgroup) should be
>> carried out under both the lruvec lock of the memory cgroup being removed
>> and the lruvec lock of its parent.
>>
>> 3. Thirdly, another lock that requires the same approach is the split-queue
>> lock of THP.
>>
>> 4. Finally, transfer the LRU pages to the object cgroup without holding a
>> reference to the original memory cgroup.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Harry / Hyeonggon
prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-23 2:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-15 2:45 Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 01/28] mm: memcontrol: remove dead code of checking parent memory cgroup Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:35 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 02/28] mm: memcontrol: use folio_memcg_charged() to avoid potential rcu lock holding Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:48 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-18 2:38 ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 03/28] mm: workingset: use folio_lruvec() in workingset_refault() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:52 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 04/28] mm: rename unlock_page_lruvec_irq and its variants Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:53 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 05/28] mm: thp: replace folio_memcg() with folio_memcg_charged() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:54 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 06/28] mm: thp: introduce folio_split_queue_lock and its variants Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:58 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-18 19:50 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-19 14:20 ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 07/28] mm: thp: use folio_batch to handle THP splitting in deferred_split_scan() Muchun Song
2025-04-30 14:37 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-05-06 6:44 ` Hugh Dickins
2025-05-06 21:44 ` Hugh Dickins
2025-05-07 3:30 ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 08/28] mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru() Muchun Song
2025-04-30 14:49 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 09/28] mm: memcontrol: allocate object cgroup for non-kmem case Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 10/28] mm: memcontrol: return root object cgroup for root memory cgroup Muchun Song
2025-06-28 3:09 ` Chen Ridong
2025-06-30 7:16 ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 11/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in get_mem_cgroup_from_folio() Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 12/28] buffer: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_alloc_buffers() Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 13/28] writeback: prevent memory cgroup release in writeback module Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 14/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in count_memcg_folio_events() Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 15/28] mm: page_io: prevent memory cgroup release in page_io module Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 16/28] mm: migrate: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_migrate_mapping() Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 17/28] mm: mglru: prevent memory cgroup release in mglru Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 18/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in mem_cgroup_swap_full() Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 19/28] mm: workingset: prevent memory cgroup release in lru_gen_eviction() Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 20/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_refault() Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 21/28] mm: zswap: prevent lruvec release in zswap_folio_swapin() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 17:39 ` Nhat Pham
2025-04-18 2:36 ` Chengming Zhou
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 22/28] mm: swap: prevent lruvec release in swap module Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 23/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_activation() Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 24/28] mm: memcontrol: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for lruvec lock Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 25/28] mm: thp: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for split queue lock Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 26/28] mm: memcontrol: introduce memcg_reparent_ops Muchun Song
2025-06-30 12:47 ` Harry Yoo
2025-07-01 22:12 ` Harry Yoo
2025-07-07 9:29 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2025-07-09 0:14 ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 27/28] mm: memcontrol: eliminate the problem of dying memory cgroup for LRU folios Muchun Song
2025-05-20 11:27 ` Harry Yoo
2025-05-22 2:31 ` Muchun Song
2025-05-23 1:24 ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-15 2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 28/28] mm: lru: add VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO to lru maintenance helpers Muchun Song
2025-04-15 2:53 ` [PATCH RFC 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup Muchun Song
2025-04-15 6:19 ` Kairui Song
2025-04-15 8:01 ` Muchun Song
2025-04-17 18:22 ` Kairui Song
2025-04-17 19:04 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-06-27 8:50 ` Chen Ridong
2025-04-17 21:45 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:43 ` Kairui Song
2025-06-27 9:02 ` Chen Ridong
2025-06-27 18:54 ` Kairui Song
2025-06-27 19:14 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-06-28 9:21 ` Chen Ridong
2025-04-22 14:20 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-05-23 1:23 ` Harry Yoo
2025-05-23 2:39 ` Muchun Song [this message]
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