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From: "Li, Liang Z" <liang.z.li@intel.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Roman Kagan <rkagan@virtuozzo.com>,
	"ehabkost@redhat.com" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mst@redhat.com" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"quintela@redhat.com" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"amit.shah@redhat.com" <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"rth@twiddle.net" <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: RE: [Qemu-devel] [RFC qemu 0/4] A PV solution for live migration optimization
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 05:34:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F2CBF3009FA73547804AE4C663CAB28E0414622D@shsmsx102.ccr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160304185120.GB2588@work-vm>

> > On 04/03/2016 15:26, Li, Liang Z wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > The memory usage will keep increasing due to ever growing caches,
> > >> > etc, so you'll be left with very little free memory fairly soon.
> > >> >
> > > I don't think so.
> > >
> >
> > Roman is right.  For example, here I am looking at a 64 GB (physical)
> > machine which was booted about 30 minutes ago, and which is running
> > disk-heavy workloads (installing VMs).
> >
> > Since I have started writing this email (2 minutes?), the amount of
> > free memory has already gone down from 37 GB to 33 GB.  I expect that
> > by the time I have finished running the workload, in two hours, it
> > will not have any free memory.
> 
> But what about a VM sitting idle, or that just has more RAM assigned to it
> than is currently using.
>  I've got a host here that's been up for 46 days and has been doing some
> heavy VM debugging a few days ago, but today:
> 
> # free -m
>               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
> Mem:          96536        1146       44834         184       50555       94735
> 
> I very rarely use all it's RAM, so it's got a big chunk of free RAM, and yes it's
> got a big chunk of cache as well.
> 
> Dave
> 
> >
> > Paolo

I begin to realize Roman's opinions. The PV solution can't handle the cache memory while inflating balloon could.
Inflating balloon so as to skipping the cache memory is no good for guest's performance.

How much of the free memory in the guest depends on the workload in the VM  and the time VM has already run
before live migration. Even the memory usage will keep increasing due to ever growing caches, but we don't know
when the live migration will happen, assuming there are no or very little free pages in the guest is not quite right.

The advantage of the pv solution is the smaller performance impact, comparing with inflating the balloon.

Liang



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  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-07  5:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-03 10:44 Liang Li
2016-03-03 10:44 ` [RFC qemu 1/4] pc: Add code to get the lowmem form PCMachineState Liang Li
2016-03-03 10:44 ` [RFC qemu 2/4] virtio-balloon: Add a new feature to balloon device Liang Li
2016-03-03 12:23   ` Cornelia Huck
2016-03-04  2:38     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-03 12:56   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-04  2:29     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-03 10:44 ` [RFC qemu 3/4] migration: not set migration bitmap in setup stage Liang Li
2016-03-03 10:44 ` [RFC qemu 4/4] migration: filter out guest's free pages in ram bulk stage Liang Li
2016-03-03 12:16   ` Cornelia Huck
2016-03-04  2:32     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-03 12:45   ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2016-03-04  2:43     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-03 13:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC qemu 0/4] A PV solution for live migration optimization Roman Kagan
2016-03-04  1:35   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-03 17:46 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-04  1:52   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-04  8:14     ` [Qemu-devel] " Roman Kagan
2016-03-04  9:08       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-04 10:23         ` Roman Kagan
2016-03-04 14:26           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-04 14:45             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-04 15:49               ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-05 19:55                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-07  6:49                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-07 11:40                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-07 15:06                       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-09 14:28                       ` Roman Kagan
2016-03-09 15:27                         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-09 15:30                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-10  1:41                             ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-10 12:29                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-09 15:41                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-09 17:04                           ` Roman Kagan
2016-03-09 17:39                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-10 10:21                               ` Roman Kagan
2016-03-09 19:38                             ` Rik van Riel
2016-03-10  9:30                               ` Roman Kagan
2016-03-04 16:24             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-04 18:51               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-07  5:34                 ` Li, Liang Z [this message]
2016-03-09 13:22                 ` Roman Kagan
2016-03-09 14:19                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-09  6:18               ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-04  7:55   ` Roman Kagan
2016-03-04  8:23     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-04  8:35       ` Roman Kagan
2016-03-04  9:08         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-04  9:12           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-04  9:47             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-04 10:11               ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-04 10:36                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-04 15:13                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-08 14:03                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-08 14:17                       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-04  9:35           ` Roman Kagan
2016-03-08 11:13 ` Amit Shah
2016-03-08 13:11   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-10  7:44   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-10  7:57     ` Amit Shah
2016-03-10  8:36       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-10 11:18         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-11  2:38           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-14 17:03             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-15  3:31               ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-15 10:29               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-15 11:11                 ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-15 19:55                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-16  1:20                     ` Li, Liang Z

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