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From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: "Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
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	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
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	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 03/10] mm: fs: remove filemap_nr_thps*() functions and their users
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2026 11:32:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EF04F17A-89ED-40EB-BA91-7A82713E28F8@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cd36fe49-56b6-4ec6-8dc7-9c793f939bb5@kernel.org>

On 1 Apr 2026, at 10:35, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:

> On 3/27/26 16:05, Zi Yan wrote:
>> On 27 Mar 2026, at 10:23, Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2026 at 02:58:12PM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There could now be a race between collapsing and the file getting opened
>>>> r/w.
>>>>
>>>> Are we sure that all code can really deal with that?
>>>>
>>>> IOW, "they already had to handle it separately" -- is that true?
>>>> khugepaged would have never collapse in writable files, so I wonder if
>>>> all code paths are prepared for that.
>>>
>>> OK I guess I overlooked a part of this code... :) see below.
>>>
>>> This is fine and would be a no-op anyway
>>>
>>> -       if (f->f_mode & FMODE_WRITE) {
>>> -               /*
>>> -                * Depends on full fence from get_write_access() to synchronize
>>> -                * against collapse_file() regarding i_writecount and nr_thps
>>> -                * updates. Ensures subsequent insertion of THPs into the page
>>> -                * cache will fail.
>>> -                */
>>> -               if (filemap_nr_thps(inode->i_mapping)) {
>>>
>>> But this:
>>>
>>> -       if (!is_shmem) {
>>> -               filemap_nr_thps_inc(mapping);
>>> -               /*
>>> -                * Paired with the fence in do_dentry_open() -> get_write_access()
>>> -                * to ensure i_writecount is up to date and the update to nr_thps
>>> -                * is visible. Ensures the page cache will be truncated if the
>>> -                * file is opened writable.
>>> -                */
>>> -               smp_mb();
>>>
>>> We can drop barrier
>>>
>>> -               if (inode_is_open_for_write(mapping->host)) {
>>> -                       result = SCAN_FAIL;
>>>
>>> But this is a functional change!
>>>
>>> Yup missed this.
>>
>> But I added
>>
>> +	if (!is_shmem && inode_is_open_for_write(mapping->host))
>> +		result = SCAN_FAIL;
>>
>> That keeps the original bail out, right?
>
> Independent of that, are we sure that the possible race we allow is ok?

Let me think.

do_dentry_open() -> file_get_write_access() -> get_write_access() bumps
inode->i_writecount atomically and it turns inode_is_open_for_write()
to true. Then, do_dentry_open() also truncates all pages
if filemap_nr_thps() is not zero. This pairs with khugepaged’s first
filemap_nr_thps_inc() then inode_is_open_for_write() to prevent opening
a fd with write when there is a read-only THP.

After removing READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS, khugepaged only creates read-only THPs
on FSes with large folio support (to be precise THP support). If a fd
is opened for write before inode_is_open_for_write() check, khugepaged
will stop. It is fine. But if a fd is opened for write after
inode_is_open_for_write() check, khugepaged will try to collapse a read-only
THP and the fd can be written at the same time.

I notice that fd write requires locking the to-be-written folio first
(I see it from f_ops->write_iter() -> write_begin_get_folio() and assume
f_ops->write() has the same locking requirement) and khugepaged has already
locked the to-be-collapsed folio before inode_is_open_for_write(). So if the
fd is opened for write after inode_is_open_for_write() check, its write
will wait for khugepaged collapse and see a new THP. Since the FS
supports THP, writing to the new THP should be fine.

Let me know if my analysis above makes sense. If yes, I will add it
to the commit message and add a succinct comment about it before
inode_is_open_for_write().


Best Regards,
Yan, Zi


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-01 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-27  1:42 [PATCH v1 00/10] Remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 01/10] mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig option Zi Yan
2026-03-27 11:45   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:33   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:39     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 02/10] mm/khugepaged: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS check Zi Yan
2026-03-27  7:29   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  7:35     ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  9:44   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 12:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:45       ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 14:12         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:26           ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 14:31             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:00               ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:22                 ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 16:30                   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-28  2:29                     ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 12:07   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:46     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:37   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:43     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 03/10] mm: fs: remove filemap_nr_thps*() functions and their users Zi Yan
2026-03-27  9:32   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 12:23   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:58     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:23       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:05         ` Zi Yan
2026-04-01 14:35           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 15:32             ` Zi Yan [this message]
2026-04-01 19:15               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 20:33                 ` Zi Yan
2026-04-02 14:35                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-02 14:38                     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 04/10] fs: remove nr_thps from struct address_space Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:00   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-30  3:06   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 05/10] mm/huge_memory: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from file_thp_enabled() Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:42   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:12     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 15:29       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:43         ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:08           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 16:12             ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:14               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-29  4:07               ` WANG Rui
2026-03-30 11:17                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-30 14:35                   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-30 16:09                     ` WANG Rui
2026-03-30 16:19                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-01 14:38                         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 14:53                           ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 06/10] mm/huge_memory: remove folio split check for READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:50   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-30  9:15   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 07/10] mm/truncate: use folio_split() in truncate_inode_partial_folio() Zi Yan
2026-03-27  3:33   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:35     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-28  9:54   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-28  9:54   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 08/10] fs/btrfs: remove a comment referring to READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 09/10] selftests/mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS in khugepaged Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 10/10] selftests/mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from comments in guard-regions Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:46 ` [PATCH v1 00/10] Remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:26   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 14:27   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:30     ` Zi Yan
2026-04-05 17:38 ` Nico Pache
2026-04-06  1:59   ` Zi Yan
2026-04-06 16:17     ` Nico Pache

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