From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Zlatko Calusic <zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: xmm2 - monitor Linux MM active/inactive lists graphically
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:22:00 +0000 (GMT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E15xuZM-0008W5-00@the-village.bc.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110280945150.7360-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> from "Linus Torvalds" at Oct 28, 2001 09:59:14 AM
> In contrast, the -ac logic says roughly "Who the hell cares if the driver
> can merge requests or not, we can just give it thousands of small requests
> instead, and cap the total number of _sectors_ instead of capping the
> total number of requests earlier"
If you think about it the major resource constraint is sectors - or another
way to think of it "number of pinned pages the VM cannot rescue until the
I/O is done". We also have many devices where the latency is horribly
important - IDE is one because it lacks sensible overlapping I/O. I'm less
sure what the latency trade offs are. Less commands means less turnarounds
so there is counterbalance.
In the case of IDE the -ac tree will do basically the same merging - the
limitations on IDE DMA are pretty reasonable. DMA IDE has scatter gather
tables and is actually smarter than many older scsi controllers. The IDE
layer supports up to 128 chunks of up to just under 64Kb (should be 64K
but some chipsets get 64K = 0 wrong and its not pretty)
> In my opinion, the -ac logic is really bad, but one thing it does allow is
> for stupid drivers that look like high-performance drivers. Which may be
> why it got implemented.
Well I'm all for making dumb hardware go as fast as smart stuff but that
wasn't the original goal - the original goal was to fix the bad behaviour
with the base kernel and large I/O queues to slow devices like M/O disks.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-10-28 18:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-24 10:42 Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-24 14:26 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-10-25 0:25 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-25 4:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25 4:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25 12:48 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-25 16:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25 17:33 ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-26 9:45 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-26 10:08 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-26 14:39 ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-26 14:57 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-26 15:01 ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-26 16:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-26 16:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-26 17:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 17:30 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-28 17:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 17:48 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-28 17:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 18:22 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2001-10-28 18:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 19:29 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-28 18:56 ` Andrew Morton
2001-10-30 8:56 ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-30 9:26 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-28 19:13 ` Barry K. Nathan
2001-10-28 21:42 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-11-02 5:52 ` Zlatko's I/O slowdown status Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-02 20:14 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-11-02 20:26 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-02 21:22 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-11-02 20:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-02 23:23 ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-27 13:14 ` xmm2 - monitor Linux MM active/inactive lists graphically Giuliano Pochini
2001-10-28 5:05 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-25 9:07 ` Zlatko Calusic
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