From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] mm: page_alloc: defrag_mode
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 14:54:03 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E0358860-624D-4C9F-84E8-4887EE4DD8D4@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250313210647.1314586-4-hannes@cmpxchg.org>
On 13 Mar 2025, at 17:05, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> The page allocator groups requests by migratetype to stave off
> fragmentation. However, in practice this is routinely defeated by the
> fact that it gives up *before* invoking reclaim and compaction - which
> may well produce suitable pages. As a result, fragmentation of
> physical memory is a common ongoing process in many load scenarios.
>
> Fragmentation deteriorates compaction's ability to produce huge
> pages. Depending on the lifetime of the fragmenting allocations, those
> effects can be long-lasting or even permanent, requiring drastic
> measures like forcible idle states or even reboots as the only
> reliable ways to recover the address space for THP production.
>
> In a kernel build test with supplemental THP pressure, the THP
> allocation rate steadily declines over 15 runs:
>
> thp_fault_alloc
> 61988
> 56474
> 57258
> 50187
> 52388
> 55409
> 52925
> 47648
> 43669
> 40621
> 36077
> 41721
> 36685
> 34641
> 33215
>
> This is a hurdle in adopting THP in any environment where hosts are
> shared between multiple overlapping workloads (cloud environments),
> and rarely experience true idle periods. To make THP a reliable and
> predictable optimization, there needs to be a stronger guarantee to
> avoid such fragmentation.
>
> Introduce defrag_mode. When enabled, reclaim/compaction is invoked to
> its full extent *before* falling back. Specifically, ALLOC_NOFRAGMENT
> is enforced on the allocator fastpath and the reclaiming slowpath.
>
> For now, fallbacks are permitted to avert OOMs. There is a plan to add
> defrag_mode=2 to prefer OOMs over fragmentation, but this requires
> additional prep work in compaction and the reserve management to make
> it ready for all possible allocation contexts.
>
> The following test results are from a kernel build with periodic
> bursts of THP allocations, over 15 runs:
>
> vanilla defrag_mode=1
> @claimer[unmovable]: 189 103
> @claimer[movable]: 92 103
> @claimer[reclaimable]: 207 61
> @pollute[unmovable from movable]: 25 0
> @pollute[unmovable from reclaimable]: 28 0
> @pollute[movable from unmovable]: 38835 0
> @pollute[movable from reclaimable]: 147136 0
> @pollute[reclaimable from unmovable]: 178 0
> @pollute[reclaimable from movable]: 33 0
> @steal[unmovable from movable]: 11 0
> @steal[unmovable from reclaimable]: 5 0
> @steal[reclaimable from unmovable]: 107 0
> @steal[reclaimable from movable]: 90 0
> @steal[movable from reclaimable]: 354 0
> @steal[movable from unmovable]: 130 0
>
> Both types of polluting fallbacks are eliminated in this workload.
>
> Interestingly, whole block conversions are reduced as well. This is
> because once a block is claimed for a type, its empty space remains
> available for future allocations, instead of being padded with
> fallbacks; this allows the native type to group up instead of
> spreading out to new blocks. The assumption in the allocator has been
> that pollution from movable allocations is less harmful than from
> other types, since they can be reclaimed or migrated out should the
> space be needed. However, since fallbacks occur *before*
> reclaim/compaction is invoked, movable pollution will still cause
> non-movable allocations to spread out and claim more blocks.
>
> Without fragmentation, THP rates hold steady with defrag_mode=1:
>
> thp_fault_alloc
> 32478
> 20725
> 45045
> 32130
> 14018
> 21711
> 40791
> 29134
> 34458
> 45381
> 28305
> 17265
> 22584
> 28454
> 30850
>
> While the downward trend is eliminated, the keen reader will of course
> notice that the baseline rate is much smaller than the vanilla
> kernel's to begin with. This is due to deficiencies in how reclaim and
> compaction are currently driven: ALLOC_NOFRAGMENT increases the extent
> to which smaller allocations are competing with THPs for pageblocks,
> while making no effort themselves to reclaim or compact beyond their
> own request size. This effect already exists with the current usage of
> ALLOC_NOFRAGMENT, but is amplified by defrag_mode insisting on whole
> block stealing much more strongly.
>
> Subsequent patches will address defrag_mode reclaim strategy to raise
> the THP success baseline above the vanilla kernel.
All makes sense to me. But is there a better name than defrag_mode?
It sounds very similar to /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag.
Or it actually means the THP defrag mode?
>
> Signed-off-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
> ---
> Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/vm.rst | 9 +++++++++
> mm/page_alloc.c | 27 +++++++++++++++++++++++--
> 2 files changed, 34 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
When I am checking ALLOC_NOFRAGMENT, I find that in get_page_from_freelist(),
ALLOC_NOFRAGMENT is removed when allocation goes into a remote node. I wonder
if this could reduce the anti-fragmentation effort for NUMA systems. Basically,
falling back to a remote node for allocation would fragment the remote node,
even the remote node is trying hard to not fragment itself. Have you tested
on a NUMA system?
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Yan, Zi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-14 18:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-13 21:05 [PATCH 0/5] mm: reliable huge page allocator Johannes Weiner
2025-03-13 21:05 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm: compaction: push watermark into compaction_suitable() callers Johannes Weiner
2025-03-14 15:08 ` Zi Yan
2025-03-16 4:28 ` Hugh Dickins
2025-03-17 18:18 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-03-21 6:21 ` kernel test robot
2025-03-21 13:55 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-10 15:19 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-04-10 20:17 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-11 7:32 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-13 21:05 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm: page_alloc: trace type pollution from compaction capturing Johannes Weiner
2025-03-14 18:36 ` Zi Yan
2025-03-13 21:05 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: page_alloc: defrag_mode Johannes Weiner
2025-03-14 18:54 ` Zi Yan [this message]
2025-03-14 20:50 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-03-14 22:54 ` Zi Yan
2025-03-22 15:05 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-03-23 0:58 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-03-23 1:34 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-03-23 3:46 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-03-23 18:04 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-03-31 15:55 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-03-13 21:05 ` [PATCH 4/5] mm: page_alloc: defrag_mode kswapd/kcompactd assistance Johannes Weiner
2025-03-13 21:05 ` [PATCH 5/5] mm: page_alloc: defrag_mode kswapd/kcompactd watermarks Johannes Weiner
2025-03-14 21:05 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-11 8:19 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-04-11 15:39 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-11 16:51 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-04-11 18:21 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-13 2:20 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15 7:31 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-04-15 7:44 ` Vlastimil Babka
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