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From: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>
To: Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>
Cc: "Schaufler, Casey" <casey.schaufler@intel.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Dmitry V . Levin" <ldv@altlinux.org>,
	Gleb Fotengauer-Malinovskiy <glebfm@altlinux.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, zhangyi <yi.zhang@huawei.com>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/5] userfaultfd: add /dev/userfaultfd for fine grained access control
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:53:35 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DDE06635-71B4-46B9-9635-97E35E0B5482@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJHvVcghaZjgU6YhoGMehQTDU36S-UL5djG+Bym6Uax=VVoX7g@mail.gmail.com>

On Aug 1, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com> wrote:

> ⚠ External Email
> 
> I finished up some other work and got around to writing a v5 today,
> but I ran into a problem with /proc/[pid]/userfaultfd.
> 
> Files in /proc/[pid]/* are owned by the user/group which started the
> process, and they don't support being chmod'ed.
> 
> For the userfaultfd device, I think we want the following semantics:
> - For UFFDs created via the device, we want to always allow handling
> kernel mode faults
> - For security, the device should be owned by root:root by default, so
> unprivileged users don't have default access to handle kernel faults
> - But, the system administrator should be able to chown/chmod it, to
> grant access to handling kernel faults for this process more widely.
> 
> It could be made to work like that but I think it would involve at least:
> 
> - Special casing userfaultfd in proc_pid_make_inode
> - Updating setattr/getattr for /proc/[pid] to meaningfully store and
> then retrieve uid/gid different from the task's, again probably
> special cased for userfautlfd since we don't want this behavior for
> other files
> 
> It seems to me such a change might raise eyebrows among procfs folks.
> Before I spend the time to write this up, does this seem like
> something that would obviously be nack'ed?

[ Please avoid top-posting in the future ]

I have no interest in making your life harder than it should be. If you
cannot find a suitable alternative, I will not fight against it.

How about this alternative: how about following KVM usage-model?

IOW: You open /dev/userfaultfd, but this is not the file-descriptor that you
use for most operations. Instead you first issue an ioctl - similarly to
KVM_CREATE_VM - to get a file-descriptor for your specific process. You then
use this new file-descriptor to perform your operations (read/ioctl/etc).

This would make the fact that ioctls/reads from different processes refer to
different contexts (i.e., file-descriptors) much more natural.

Does it sound better?

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-01 19:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-19 19:56 Axel Rasmussen
2022-07-19 19:56 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] selftests: vm: add hugetlb_shared userfaultfd test to run_vmtests.sh Axel Rasmussen
2022-07-19 19:56 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] userfaultfd: add /dev/userfaultfd for fine grained access control Axel Rasmussen
2022-07-19 21:18   ` Peter Xu
2022-07-19 22:32   ` Nadav Amit
2022-07-19 22:45     ` Axel Rasmussen
2022-07-19 23:55       ` Nadav Amit
2022-07-20  2:32         ` Peter Xu
2022-07-20 17:42           ` Nadav Amit
2022-07-20 20:10             ` Axel Rasmussen
2022-07-20 20:14               ` Nadav Amit
2022-08-02 18:46   ` Nadav Amit
2022-07-19 19:56 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] userfaultfd: selftests: modify selftest to use /dev/userfaultfd Axel Rasmussen
2022-07-19 21:23   ` Peter Xu
2022-07-19 19:56 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] userfaultfd: update documentation to describe /dev/userfaultfd Axel Rasmussen
2022-07-19 21:23   ` Peter Xu
2022-07-19 19:56 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] selftests: vm: add /dev/userfaultfd test cases to run_vmtests.sh Axel Rasmussen
2022-07-19 20:56   ` Nadav Amit
2022-07-20 22:16 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] userfaultfd: add /dev/userfaultfd for fine grained access control Schaufler, Casey
2022-07-20 23:04   ` Axel Rasmussen
2022-07-20 23:21     ` Nadav Amit
2022-08-01 17:13       ` Axel Rasmussen
2022-08-01 19:53         ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2022-08-01 22:50           ` Axel Rasmussen
2022-08-01 23:19             ` Nadav Amit

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