From: "Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@ventanamicro.com>
To: "Deepak Gupta" <debug@rivosinc.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 12/28] riscv: Implements arch agnostic shadow stack prctls
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 13:42:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D9FOY8JACYTH.1FU7ZTEHFC5NI@ventanamicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aAp_87-Xr6gn_hD7@debug.ba.rivosinc.com>
2025-04-24T11:16:19-07:00, Deepak Gupta <debug@rivosinc.com>:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 03:36:54PM +0200, Radim Krčmář wrote:
>>2025-04-23T21:44:09-07:00, Deepak Gupta <debug@rivosinc.com>:
>>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 11:45:58AM +0200, Radim Krčmář wrote:
>>>>2025-03-14T14:39:31-07:00, Deepak Gupta <debug@rivosinc.com>:
>>>>> diff --git a/arch/riscv/include/asm/usercfi.h b/arch/riscv/include/asm/usercfi.h
>>>>> @@ -14,7 +15,8 @@ struct kernel_clone_args;
>>>>> struct cfi_status {
>>>>> unsigned long ubcfi_en : 1; /* Enable for backward cfi. */
>>>>> - unsigned long rsvd : ((sizeof(unsigned long) * 8) - 1);
>>>>> + unsigned long ubcfi_locked : 1;
>>>>> + unsigned long rsvd : ((sizeof(unsigned long) * 8) - 2);
>>>>
>>>>The rsvd field shouldn't be necessary as the container for the bitfield
>>>>is 'unsigned long' sized.
>>>>
>>>>Why don't we use bools here, though?
>>>>It might produce a better binary and we're not hurting for struct size.
>>>
>>> If you remember one of the previous patch discussion, this goes into
>>> `thread_info` Don't want to bloat it. Even if we end shoving into task_struct,
>>> don't want to bloat that either. I can just convert it into bitmask if
>>> bitfields are an eyesore here.
>>
>> "unsigned long rsvd : ((sizeof(unsigned long) * 8) - 2);"
>>
>>is an eyesore that defines exactly the same as the two lines alone
>>
>> unsigned long ubcfi_en : 1;
>> unsigned long ubcfi_locked : 1;
>>
>>That one should be removed.
>>
>>If we have only 4 bits in 4/8 bytes, then bitfields do generate worse
>>code than 4 bools and a 0/4 byte hole. The struct size stays the same.
>>
>>I don't care much about the switch to bools, though, because this code
>>is not called often.
>
> I'll remove the bitfields, have single `unsigned long cfi_control_state`
> And do `#define RISCV_UBCFI_EN 1` and so on.
I might have seemed too much against the bitfieds, sorry. I am against
the rsvd fields, because it is a pointless cognitive overhead and even
this series already had a bug in them.
#defines should generate the same code as bitfields (worse than bools),
so the source code is really a matter of personal preference.
(I do prefer bitfields.)
>>>>> @@ -262,3 +292,83 @@ void shstk_release(struct task_struct *tsk)
>>>>> +int arch_lock_shadow_stack_status(struct task_struct *task,
>>>>> + unsigned long arg)
>>>>> +{
>>>>> + /* If shtstk not supported or not enabled on task, nothing to lock here */
>>>>> + if (!cpu_supports_shadow_stack() ||
>>>>> + !is_shstk_enabled(task) || arg != 0)
>>>>> + return -EINVAL;
>>>>
>>>>The task might want to prevent shadow stack from being enabled?
>>>
>>> But Why would it want to do that? Task can simply not issue the prctl. There
>>> are glibc tunables as well using which it can be disabled.
>>
>>The task might do it as some last resort to prevent a buggy code from
>>enabling shadow stacks that would just crash. Or whatever complicated
>>reason userspace can think of.
>>
>>It's more the other way around. I wonder why we're removing this option
>>when we don't really care what userspace does to itself.
>>I think it's complicating the kernel without an obvious gain.
>
> It just feels wierd. There isn't anything like this for other features lit-up
> via envcfg. Does hwprobe allow this on per-task basis? I'll look into it.
I think PMM doesn't allow to lock and the rest don't seem configurable
from userspace.
It's not that important and we hopefully won't be breaking any userspace
if we decided to allow it later, so I'm fine with this version.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-25 11:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-14 21:39 [PATCH v12 00/28] riscv control-flow integrity for usermode Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 01/28] mm: VM_SHADOW_STACK definition for riscv Deepak Gupta
2025-04-07 15:45 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 02/28] dt-bindings: riscv: zicfilp and zicfiss in dt-bindings (extensions.yaml) Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 03/28] riscv: zicfiss / zicfilp enumeration Deepak Gupta
2025-04-07 15:48 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2025-04-09 14:43 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 04/28] riscv: zicfiss / zicfilp extension csr and bit definitions Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 05/28] riscv: usercfi state for task and save/restore of CSR_SSP on trap entry/exit Deepak Gupta
2025-04-08 8:05 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2025-04-10 11:04 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-04-24 0:00 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-04-24 11:52 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-04-24 17:56 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-04-25 11:27 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-04-24 0:23 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-04-24 12:16 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-04-24 18:03 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-04-25 11:32 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 06/28] riscv/mm : ensure PROT_WRITE leads to VM_READ | VM_WRITE Deepak Gupta
2025-04-08 10:39 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2025-04-10 10:03 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-04-24 0:45 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-04-24 12:23 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-04-24 12:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 07/28] riscv mm: manufacture shadow stack pte Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 08/28] riscv mmu: teach pte_mkwrite to manufacture shadow stack PTEs Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 09/28] riscv mmu: write protect and shadow stack Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 10/28] riscv/mm: Implement map_shadow_stack() syscall Deepak Gupta
2025-04-07 4:50 ` Zong Li
2025-04-09 14:19 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-04-10 9:56 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-04-24 3:16 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-04-24 12:51 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 11/28] riscv/shstk: If needed allocate a new shadow stack on clone Deepak Gupta
2025-04-08 10:51 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2025-04-09 14:31 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 12/28] riscv: Implements arch agnostic shadow stack prctls Deepak Gupta
2025-03-17 1:29 ` Zong Li
2025-04-10 9:45 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-04-24 4:44 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-04-24 13:36 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-04-24 18:16 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-04-25 11:42 ` Radim Krčmář [this message]
2025-04-25 16:39 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 13/28] prctl: arch-agnostic prctl for indirect branch tracking Deepak Gupta
2025-03-17 1:29 ` Zong Li
2025-04-09 8:03 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2025-04-09 14:26 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 14/28] riscv: Implements arch agnostic indirect branch tracking prctls Deepak Gupta
2025-03-17 1:29 ` Zong Li
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 15/28] riscv/traps: Introduce software check exception Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 16/28] riscv: signal: abstract header saving for setup_sigcontext Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 17/28] riscv/signal: save and restore of shadow stack for signal Deepak Gupta
2025-04-10 8:49 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 18/28] riscv/kernel: update __show_regs to print shadow stack register Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 19/28] riscv/ptrace: riscv cfi status and state via ptrace and in core files Deepak Gupta
2025-03-20 22:24 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-03-20 23:09 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-03-21 7:22 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 20/28] riscv/hwprobe: zicfilp / zicfiss enumeration in hwprobe Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 21/28] riscv: Add Firmware Feature SBI extensions definitions Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 22/28] riscv: enable kernel access to shadow stack memory via FWFT sbi call Deepak Gupta
2025-03-20 22:10 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-03-20 22:42 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-03-21 7:35 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 23/28] riscv: kernel command line option to opt out of user cfi Deepak Gupta
2025-03-20 21:35 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-03-20 22:31 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-03-21 7:31 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 24/28] arch/riscv: compile vdso with landing pad Deepak Gupta
2025-04-08 12:45 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2025-04-09 14:28 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 25/28] riscv: create a config for shadow stack and landing pad instr support Deepak Gupta
2025-03-20 21:25 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-03-20 22:29 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-03-21 7:51 ` Radim Krčmář
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 26/28] riscv: Documentation for landing pad / indirect branch tracking Deepak Gupta
2025-04-08 8:36 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 27/28] riscv: Documentation for shadow stack on riscv Deepak Gupta
2025-04-08 8:48 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2025-04-10 5:24 ` Deepak Gupta
2025-03-14 21:39 ` [PATCH v12 28/28] kselftest/riscv: kselftest for user mode cfi Deepak Gupta
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