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From: Scott Kaplan <sfkaplan@cs.amherst.edu>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] start_aggressive_readahead
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:38:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D4FAAB57-A3DA-11D6-9922-000393829FA4@cs.amherst.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <644994853.1028020916@[10.10.2.3]>

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On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 12:21 PM, Martin J. Bligh wrote:

> Thus I'd contend that either growing or shrinking in straight
> response to just a hit/miss rate is not correct. We need to actually
> look at the access pattern of the application, surely?

I agree.  I probably should have made it clear that what I was suggesting 
wasn't the right way to go about it, but rather an argument against the 
heuristics that seemed backwards to me.

The causes for misses are necessarily as clear cut as you mentioned, as 
there are a lot of behaviors that are neither fully random nor fully 
sequential.  So, while it is ideal to have some foresight before resizing 
the window -- some calculation that determines whether or not growth will 
help or shrinkage will hurt -- it will require the VM system to gather hit 
distributions.  I'm trying to make that happen right now, although for all 
VM pages, and not for the specific purpose of read-ahead calculations.  
However, the paper for which I gave a pointer (in a shameless act of self 
promotion) proposes exactly that:  Keeping reference distributions for 
read-ahead and non-read-ahead pages, and then balancing the two against 
each other in an attempt to determine what the best read-ahead window size 
would be given recent reference behavior.

There may be simpler, kruftier, and/or more effective versions of what I 
proposed, but what you said above is, I think, the right idea.

Scott
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-30 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-25 16:10 Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-25 16:44 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-25 19:40   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-26 16:50     ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-26 19:38       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-28 23:32         ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-29  0:19           ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-29  2:12             ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-29  3:05               ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-29 15:24                 ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-29  7:34           ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-29  7:37             ` Vladimir Dergachev
2002-07-29  7:53               ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-29  8:04             ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-30 16:11             ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-30 16:21               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-30 16:38                 ` Scott Kaplan [this message]
2002-07-30 16:52                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-08-05 18:54                     ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-30 17:13                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-26 20:14     ` Stephen Lord
2002-07-26 20:29       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-26  6:53 ` Daniel Phillips

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