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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)" <david@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andreas Larsson <andreas@gaisler.com>,
	Christophe Leroy <chleroy@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
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	x86@kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.ibm.com>,
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	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>,
	Lucas Stach <l.stach@pengutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] arch/*: increase lowmem size to avoid highmem use
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2025 07:26:10 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D1726374-3075-47CF-B2FF-FBAC11BC962C@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4aecb94f-e283-4720-96e5-1837352c3329@kernel.org>

On December 21, 2025 1:30:15 AM PST, "David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)" <david@kernel.org> wrote:
>On 12/19/25 21:52, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> On 12/19/25 12:20, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>>> For simplicity, I think this can just be:
>>>> 
>>>> -	default VMSPLIT_3G
>>>> +	default VMSPLIT_2G
>>>> 
>>>> I doubt the 2G vs. 2G_OPT matters in very many cases. If it does, folks
>>>> can just set it in their config manually.
>>>> 
>>>> But, in the end, I don't this this matters all that much. If you think
>>>> having x86 be consistent with ARM, for example, is more important and
>>>> ARM really wants this complexity, I can live with it.
>>> Yes, I think we do want the default of VMSPLIT_3G_OPT for
>>> configs that have neither highmem nor lpae, otherwise the most
>>> common embedded configs go from 3072 MiB to 1792 MiB of virtual
>>> addressing, and that is much more likely to cause regressions
>>> than the 2816 MiB default.
>>> 
>>> It would be nice to not need the VMSPLIT_2G default for PAE/LPAE,
>>> but that seems like a larger change.
>> 
>> The only thing we'd "regress" would be someone who is repeatedly
>> starting from scratch with a defconfig and expecting defconfig to be the
>> same all the time. I honestly think that's highly unlikely.
>> 
>> If folks are upgrading and _actually_ exposed to regressions, they've
>> got an existing config and won't be hit by these defaults at *all*. They
>> won't actually regress.
>> 
>> In other words, I think we can be a lot more aggressive about defaults
>> than with the feature set we support. I'd much rather add complexity in
>> here for solving a real problem, like if we have armies of 32-bit x86
>> users constantly starting new projects from scratch and using defconfigs.
>> 
>> I'd _really_ like to keep the defaults as simple as possible.
>
>I agree with that. In particular in areas where there is the chance that we could count the number of people that actually care about that with one hand (in binary ;) ).
>

So, maximum 31? ;)


  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-21 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-19 16:15 [PATCH 0/4] mm: increase lowmem size in linux-7.0 Arnd Bergmann
2025-12-19 16:15 ` [PATCH 1/4] arch/*: increase lowmem size to avoid highmem use Arnd Bergmann
2025-12-19 18:02   ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-19 20:20     ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-12-19 20:52       ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-20 12:17         ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-12-21  9:30         ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-21 15:26           ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2025-12-24 11:35   ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2025-12-19 16:15 ` [PATCH 2/4] ARM: add CONFIG_VMSPLIT_2G_OPT option Arnd Bergmann
2025-12-19 16:15 ` [PATCH 3/4] ARM: remove support for highmem on VIVT Arnd Bergmann
2025-12-19 17:14   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-12-19 20:34     ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-12-24  2:26       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-12-24 10:39         ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-12-19 16:15 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: remove ARCH_NEEDS_KMAP_HIGH_GET Arnd Bergmann

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