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From: Song Liu <song@kernel.org>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org,  x86@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	hch@lst.de, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,  aaron.lu@intel.com,
	mcgrof@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/5] execmem_alloc for BPF programs
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 10:41:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPhsuW7xtUKb7ovjLFDPap-_t1TzPZ0Td+kHparOniZf7cBCSQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y2o9Iz30A3Nruqs4@kernel.org>

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:27 AM Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Song,
>
> On Mon, Nov 07, 2022 at 02:39:16PM -0800, Song Liu wrote:
> > This patchset tries to address the following issues:
> >
> > 1. Direct map fragmentation
> >
> > On x86, STRICT_*_RWX requires the direct map of any RO+X memory to be also
> > RO+X. These set_memory_* calls cause 1GB page table entries to be split
> > into 2MB and 4kB ones. This fragmentation in direct map results in bigger
> > and slower page table, and pressure for both instruction and data TLB.
> >
> > Our previous work in bpf_prog_pack tries to address this issue from BPF
> > program side. Based on the experiments by Aaron Lu [4], bpf_prog_pack has
> > greatly reduced direct map fragmentation from BPF programs.
>
> Usage of set_memory_* APIs with memory allocated from vmalloc/modules
> virtual range does not change the direct map, but only updates the
> permissions in vmalloc range. The direct map splits occur in
> vm_remove_mappings() when the memory is *freed*.
>
> That said, both bpf_prog_pack and these patches do reduce the
> fragmentation, but this happens because the memory is freed to the system
> in 2M chunks and there are no splits of 2M pages. Besides, since the same
> 2M page used for many BPF programs there should be way less vfree() calls.
>
> > 2. iTLB pressure from BPF program
> >
> > Dynamic kernel text such as modules and BPF programs (even with current
> > bpf_prog_pack) use 4kB pages on x86, when the total size of modules and
> > BPF program is big, we can see visible performance drop caused by high
> > iTLB miss rate.
>
> Like Luis mentioned several times already, it would be nice to see numbers.
>
> > 3. TLB shootdown for short-living BPF programs
> >
> > Before bpf_prog_pack loading and unloading BPF programs requires global
> > TLB shootdown. This patchset (and bpf_prog_pack) replaces it with a local
> > TLB flush.
> >
> > 4. Reduce memory usage by BPF programs (in some cases)
> >
> > Most BPF programs and various trampolines are small, and they often
> > occupies a whole page. From a random server in our fleet, 50% of the
> > loaded BPF programs are less than 500 byte in size, and 75% of them are
> > less than 2kB in size. Allowing these BPF programs to share 2MB pages
> > would yield some memory saving for systems with many BPF programs. For
> > systems with only small number of BPF programs, this patch may waste a
> > little memory by allocating one 2MB page, but using only part of it.
>
> I'm not convinced there are memory savings here. Unless you have hundreds
> of BPF programs, most of 2M page will be wasted, won't it?
> So for systems that have moderate use of BPF most of the 2M page will be
> unused, right?

There will be some memory waste in such cases. But it will get better with:
1) With 4/5 and 5/5, BPF programs will share this 2MB page with kernel .text
section (_stext to _etext);
2) modules, ftrace, kprobe will also share this 2MB page;
3) There are bigger BPF programs in many use cases.

>
> > Based on our experiments [5], we measured 0.5% performance improvement
> > from bpf_prog_pack. This patchset further boosts the improvement to 0.7%.
> > The difference is because bpf_prog_pack uses 512x 4kB pages instead of
> > 1x 2MB page, bpf_prog_pack as-is doesn't resolve #2 above.
> >
> > This patchset replaces bpf_prog_pack with a better API and makes it
> > available for other dynamic kernel text, such as modules, ftrace, kprobe.
>
> The proposed execmem_alloc() looks to me very much tailored for x86 to be
> used as a replacement for module_alloc(). Some architectures have
> module_alloc() that is quite different from the default or x86 version, so
> I'd expect at least some explanation how modules etc can use execmem_ APIs
> without breaking !x86 architectures.
>
> > This set enables bpf programs and bpf dispatchers to share huge pages with
> > new API:
> >   execmem_alloc()
> >   execmem_alloc()
> >   execmem_fill()
> >
> > The idea is similar to Peter's suggestion in [1].
> >
> > execmem_alloc() manages a set of PMD_SIZE RO+X memory, and allocates these
> > memory to its users. execmem_alloc() is used to free memory allocated by
> > execmem_alloc(). execmem_fill() is used to update memory allocated by
> > execmem_alloc().
> >
> > Memory allocated by execmem_alloc() is RO+X, so this doesnot violate W^X.
> > The caller has to update the content with text_poke like mechanism.
> > Specifically, execmem_fill() is provided to update memory allocated by
> > execmem_alloc(). execmem_fill() also makes sure the update stays in the
> > boundary of one chunk allocated by execmem_alloc(). Please refer to patch
> > 1/5 for more details of
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, a failure to allocate PMD_SIZE page will fail text
> allocation altogether. That means that if somebody tries to load a BFP
> program on a busy long lived system, they are quite likely to fail because
> high order free lists might be already exhausted although there is still
> plenty of free memory.
>
> Did you consider a fallback for small pages if the high order allocation
> fails?

I think __vmalloc_node_range() already has the fallback mechanism.
(the end of the function).

Thanks,
Song


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-11-08 18:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-07 22:39 Song Liu
2022-11-07 22:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/5] vmalloc: introduce execmem_alloc, execmem_free, and execmem_fill Song Liu
2022-11-07 22:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 2/5] x86/alternative: support execmem_alloc() and execmem_free() Song Liu
2022-11-07 22:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 3/5] bpf: use execmem_alloc for bpf program and bpf dispatcher Song Liu
2022-11-07 22:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 4/5] vmalloc: introduce register_text_tail_vm() Song Liu
2022-11-07 22:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 5/5] x86: use register_text_tail_vm Song Liu
2022-11-08 19:04   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-11-08 22:15     ` Song Liu
2022-11-15 17:28       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-11-07 22:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/5] execmem_alloc for BPF programs Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-07 23:13   ` Song Liu
2022-11-07 23:39     ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-08  0:13       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-11-08  2:45         ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-08 18:20         ` Song Liu
2022-11-08 18:12       ` Song Liu
2022-11-08 11:27 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-08 12:38   ` Aaron Lu
2022-11-09  6:55     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-11-09 11:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-08 16:51   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-11-08 18:50     ` Song Liu
2022-11-09 11:17     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-09 17:04       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-11-09 17:53         ` Song Liu
2022-11-13 10:34         ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-14 20:30           ` Song Liu
2022-11-15 21:18             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-15 21:39               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-11-16 22:34                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-17  8:50             ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-17 18:36               ` Song Liu
2022-11-20 10:41                 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-21 14:52                   ` Song Liu
2022-11-30  9:39                     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-09 17:43       ` Song Liu
2022-11-09 21:23         ` Christophe Leroy
2022-11-10  1:50           ` Song Liu
2022-11-13 10:42         ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-14 20:45           ` Song Liu
2022-11-15 20:51             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-20 10:44             ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-08 18:41   ` Song Liu [this message]
2022-11-08 19:43     ` Christophe Leroy
2022-11-08 21:40       ` Song Liu
2022-11-13  9:58     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-14 20:13       ` Song Liu
2022-11-08 11:44 ` Christophe Leroy
2022-11-08 18:47   ` Song Liu
2022-11-08 19:32     ` Christophe Leroy
2022-11-08 11:48 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-15  1:30 ` Song Liu
2022-11-15 17:34   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-11-15 21:54     ` Song Liu
2022-11-15 22:14       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-11-15 22:32         ` Song Liu
2022-11-16  1:20         ` Song Liu
2022-11-16 21:22           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-11-16 22:03             ` Song Liu
2022-11-15 21:09   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-15 21:32     ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-15 22:48     ` Song Liu
2022-11-16 22:33       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-16 22:47         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-11-16 23:53           ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-17  1:17             ` Song Liu
2022-11-17  9:37         ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-29 10:23   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-29 17:26     ` Song Liu
2022-11-29 23:56       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-30 16:18         ` Song Liu
2022-12-01  9:08           ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-12-01 19:31             ` Song Liu
2022-12-02  1:38               ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-12-02  8:38                 ` Song Liu
2022-12-02  9:22                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-12-06 20:25                     ` Song Liu
2022-12-07 15:36                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-12-07 16:53                         ` Christophe Leroy
2022-12-07 19:29                           ` Song Liu
2022-12-07 21:04                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-12-07 21:48                             ` Christophe Leroy
2022-12-07 19:26                         ` Song Liu
2022-12-07 20:57                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-12-07 23:17                             ` Song Liu
2022-12-02 10:46                 ` Christophe Leroy
2022-12-02 17:43                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-12-01 20:23             ` Mike Rapoport
2022-12-01 22:34               ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-12-03 14:46                 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-12-03 20:58                   ` Thomas Gleixner

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