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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: jonathan.cameron@huawei.com
Cc: Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ACPI <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/7] doc/vm: New documentation for memory performance
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:12:23 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4jtf8guXutLKnHt9UbyS0-sEZ5pVJfse49xe3gCCkW8dQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181115125909.000067aa@huawei.com>

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 4:59 AM Jonathan Cameron
<jonathan.cameron@huawei.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:49:16 -0700
> Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com> wrote:
[..]
> > +The kernel does not provide performance attributes for non-local memory
> > +initiators. The performance characteristics the kernel provides for
> > +the local initiators are exported are as follows::
> > +
> > +     # tree /sys/devices/system/node/nodeY/initiator_access
> > +     /sys/devices/system/node/nodeY/initiator_access
> > +     |-- read_bandwidth
> > +     |-- read_latency
> > +     |-- write_bandwidth
> > +     `-- write_latency
> > +
> > +The bandwidth attributes are provided in MiB/second.
> > +
> > +The latency attributes are provided in nanoseconds.
> > +
> > +See also: https://www.uefi.org/sites/default/files/resources/ACPI_6_2.pdf
>
> My worry here is we are explicitly making an interface that is only ever
> providing "local" node information, where local node is not the best
> defined thing in the world for complex topologies.
>
> I have no problem with that making a sensible starting point for providing
> information userspace knows what to do with, just with an interface that
> in of itself doesn't make that clear.
>
> Perhaps something as simple as
> /sys/devices/system/nodeY/local_initiatorX
> /sys/devices/system/nodeX/local_targetY
>
> That leaves us the option of coming along later and having a full listing
> when a userspace requirement has become clear.  Another option would
> be an exhaustive list of all initiator / memory pairs that exist, with
> an additional sysfs file giving a list of those that are nearest
> to avoid every userspace program having to do the search.

I worry that "local" is an HMAT specific concept when all it is in
actuality is a place for platform firmware to list the "best" or
"primary" access initiators. How about "initiator_classX" with some
documentation that the 0th class captures this primary initiator set.
That leaves the interface a straightforward way to add more classes in
the future, but with no strict association to the class number.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-10 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-14 22:49 [PATCH 1/7] node: Link memory nodes to their compute nodes Keith Busch
2018-11-14 22:49 ` [PATCH 2/7] node: Add heterogenous memory performance Keith Busch
2018-11-19  3:35   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-11-19 15:46     ` Keith Busch
2018-11-22 13:22       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-11-27  7:00   ` Dan Williams
2018-11-27 17:42     ` Dan Williams
2018-11-27 17:44     ` Keith Busch
2018-11-14 22:49 ` [PATCH 3/7] doc/vm: New documentation for " Keith Busch
2018-11-15 12:59   ` Jonathan Cameron
2018-12-10 16:12     ` Dan Williams [this message]
2018-11-20 13:51   ` Mike Rapoport
2018-11-20 15:31     ` Keith Busch
2018-11-14 22:49 ` [PATCH 4/7] node: Add memory caching attributes Keith Busch
2018-11-15  0:40   ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-19  4:14   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-11-19 23:06     ` Keith Busch
2018-11-22 13:29       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-11-26 15:14         ` Keith Busch
2018-11-26 19:06   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-11-26 19:53     ` Keith Busch
2018-11-26 19:06   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-11-14 22:49 ` [PATCH 5/7] doc/vm: New documentation for memory cache Keith Busch
2018-11-15  0:41   ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-15 13:16   ` Jonathan Cameron
2018-11-20 13:53   ` Mike Rapoport
2018-11-14 22:49 ` [PATCH 6/7] acpi: Create subtable parsing infrastructure Keith Busch
2018-11-19  9:58   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-11-19 18:36     ` Keith Busch
2018-11-14 22:49 ` [PATCH 7/7] acpi/hmat: Parse and report heterogeneous memory Keith Busch
2018-11-15 13:57 ` [PATCH 1/7] node: Link memory nodes to their compute nodes Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-15 14:59   ` Keith Busch
2018-11-15 17:50     ` Dan Williams
2018-11-19  3:04       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-11-15 20:36     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-16 18:32       ` Keith Busch
2018-11-19  3:15         ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-11-19 15:49           ` Keith Busch
2018-12-04 15:43         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2018-12-04 16:54           ` Keith Busch
2018-11-16 22:55       ` Dan Williams
2018-11-19  2:52     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-11-19  2:46 ` Anshuman Khandual

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