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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Oliver O'Halloran <oohall@gmail.com>
Cc: Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Xiao Guangrong <guangrong.xiao@linux.intel.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm, mincore2(): retrieve dax and tlb-size attributes of an address range
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:25:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4i7faR5KnaSKFFHnc-=1XsTn2naWfiCjB4Mn2=womg9QA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOSf1CHKY7LT0z+wpo7jUy3aYUDHCKDKwF0XoMwpKN4JwfYjeA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Oliver O'Halloran <oohall@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:31 AM, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
>> As evidenced by this bug report [1], userspace libraries are interested
>> in whether a mapping is DAX mapped, i.e. no intervening page cache.
>> Rather than using the ambiguous VM_MIXEDMAP flag in smaps, provide an
>> explicit "is dax" indication as a new flag in the page vector populated
>> by mincore.
>>
>> There are also cases, particularly for testing and validating a
>> configuration to know the hardware mapping geometry of the pages in a
>> given process address range.  Consider filesystem-dax where a
>> configuration needs to take care to align partitions and block
>> allocations before huge page mappings might be used, or
>> anonymous-transparent-huge-pages where a process is opportunistically
>> assigned large pages.  mincore2() allows these configurations to be
>> surveyed and validated.
>>
>> The implementation takes advantage of the unused bits in the per-page
>> byte returned for each PAGE_SIZE extent of a given address range.  The
>> new format of each vector byte is:
>>
>> (TLB_SHIFT - PAGE_SHIFT) << 2 | vma_is_dax() << 1 | page_present
>
> What is userspace expected to do with the information in vec? Whether
> PMD or THP mappings can be used is going to depend more on the block
> allocations done by the filesystem rather than anything the an
> application can directly influence. Returning a vector for each page
> makes some sense in the mincore() case since the application can touch
> each page to fault them in, but I don't see what they can do here.

It's not a "can huge pages be used?" question it's interrogating the
mapping that got established after the fact.  If an
application/environment expects huge mappings, but pte mappings are
getting established

> Why not just get rid of vec entirely and make mincore2() a yes/no
> check over the range for whatever is supplied in flags? That would
> work for NVML's use case and it should be easier to extend if needed.

I think having a way to ask the kernel if an address range satisfies a
certain set of input attributes is a useful interface.  Perhaps a
"MINCORE_CHECK" flag can indicate that the input vector contains a
single character that it wants the kernel to validate during the page
table walk, and return zero or the offset of the first mismatch.

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-12 17:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-11 17:31 Dan Williams
2016-09-11 17:31 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] x86: wire up mincore2() Dan Williams
2016-09-13 18:44   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-09-12  3:35 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm, mincore2(): retrieve dax and tlb-size attributes of an address range Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-12 17:29   ` Dan Williams
2016-09-13  2:16     ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-13  3:49       ` Dan Williams
2016-09-12  6:29 ` Oliver O'Halloran
2016-09-12 17:25   ` Dan Williams [this message]
2016-09-12 10:09 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-09-12 17:15   ` Dan Williams
2016-09-13  6:44 ` Christoph Hellwig

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