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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
Cc: Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	XFS Developers <xfs@oss.sgi.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 5/7] fs: prioritize and separate direct_io from dax_io
Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 11:48:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4i3QteM508fVams8DxzoPTo5AXT6RQQ4=gR-iAN-B4-6g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57279D57.5020800@plexistor.com>

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com> wrote:
> On 05/02/2016 09:10 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> <>
>>
>> The semantic I am talking about preserving is:
>>
>> buffered / unaligned write of a bad sector => -EIO on reading into the
>> page cache
>>
>
> What about aligned buffered write? like write 0-to-eof
> This still broken? (and is what restore apps do)
>
>> ...and that the only guaranteed way to clear an error (assuming the
>> block device supports it) is an O_DIRECT write.
>>
>
> Sure fixing dax_do_io will guaranty that.
>
> <>
>> I still think we're talking past each other on this point.
>
> Yes we are!
>
>> This patch
>> set is not overloading error semantics, it's fixing the error handling
>> problem that was introduced in this commit:
>>
>>    d475c6346a38 dax,ext2: replace XIP read and write with DAX I/O
>>
>> ...where we started overloading O_DIRECT and dax_do_io() semantics.
>>
>
> But above does not fix them does it? it just completely NULLs DAX for
> O_DIRECT which is a great pity, why did we do all this work in the first
> place.

This is hyperbole.  We don't impact "all the work" we did for the mmap
I/O case and the acceleration of the non-direct-I/O case.

> And then it keeps broken the aligned buffered writes, which are still
> broken after this set.

...identical to the current situation with a traditional disk.

> I have by now read the v2 patches. And I think you guys did not yet try
> the proper fix for dax_do_io. I think you need to go deeper into the loops
> and selectively call bdev_* when error on a specific page copy. No need to
> go through direct_IO path at all.

We still reach a point where the minimum granularity of
bdev_direct_access() is larger than a sector, so you end up still
needing to have the application understand how to send a properly
aligned I/O.  The semantics of how to send a properly aligned
direct-I/O are already well understood, so we simply reuse that path.

> Do you need that I send you a patch to demonstrate what I mean?

I remain skeptical of what you are proposing, but yes, a patch has a
better chance to move the discussion forward.

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-02 18:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-28 21:16 [PATCH v4 0/7] dax: handling media errors Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] block, dax: pass blk_dax_ctl through to drivers Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] dax: fallback from pmd to pte on error Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] dax: enable dax in the presence of known media errors (badblocks) Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] dax: use sb_issue_zerout instead of calling dax_clear_sectors Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] fs: prioritize and separate direct_io from dax_io Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 14:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-02 15:45     ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:41   ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 15:51     ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 16:03       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:52         ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-02 16:01     ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 16:22       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 16:49         ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 17:44           ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:10             ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 18:32               ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:48                 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2016-05-02 19:22                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-05 14:24     ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-05 15:15       ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 15:22         ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-05 16:24           ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 21:45           ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-08  9:01             ` hch
2016-05-08 18:42               ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:42         ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:39       ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-08  9:01         ` hch
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] dax: for truncate/hole-punch, do zeroing through the driver if possible Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] dax: fix a comment in dax_zero_page_range and dax_truncate_page Vishal Verma
2016-04-29 21:55 ` [PATCH v4 8/7] Documentation: add error handling information to dax.txt Vishal Verma

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