From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Ralph Campbell <rcampbell@nvidia.com>,
John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/10] mm/hmm: allow to mirror vma of a file on a DAX backed filesystem
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:06:23 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4htpVHm9GSYdKS=i4Ry011XZQUkOdMz9CXMrxJccRW9tw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190312203436.GE23020@dastard>
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:34 PM Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:30:52PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:06 PM Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 09:06:12AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:26 AM Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> wrote:
> > [..]
> > > > > Spirit of the rule is better than blind application of rule.
> > > >
> > > > Again, I fail to see why HMM is suddenly unable to make forward
> > > > progress when the infrastructure that came before it was merged with
> > > > consumers in the same development cycle.
> > > >
> > > > A gate to upstream merge is about the only lever a reviewer has to
> > > > push for change, and these requests to uncouple the consumer only
> > > > serve to weaken that review tool in my mind.
> > >
> > > Well let just agree to disagree and leave it at that and stop
> > > wasting each other time
> >
> > I'm fine to continue this discussion if you are. Please be specific
> > about where we disagree and what aspect of the proposed rules about
> > merge staging are either acceptable, painful-but-doable, or
> > show-stoppers. Do you agree that HMM is doing something novel with
> > merge staging, am I off base there? I expect I can find folks that
> > would balk with even a one cycle deferment of consumers, but can we
> > start with that concession and see how it goes? I'm missing where I've
> > proposed something that is untenable for the future of HMM which is
> > addressing some real needs in gaps in the kernel's support for new
> > hardware.
>
> /me quietly wonders why the hmm infrastructure can't be staged in a
> maintainer tree development branch on a kernel.org and then
> all merged in one go when that branch has both infrastructure and
> drivers merged into it...
>
> i.e. everyone doing hmm driver work gets the infrastructure from the
> dev tree, not mainline. That's a pretty standard procedure for
> developing complex features, and it avoids all the issues being
> argued over right now...
True, but I wasn't considering that because the mm tree does not do
stable topic branches. This kind of staging seems not amenable to a
quilt workflow and it needs to keep pace with the rest of mm.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-03-13 1:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-01-29 16:54 [PATCH 00/10] HMM updates for 5.1 jglisse
2019-01-29 16:54 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm/hmm: use reference counting for HMM struct jglisse
2019-02-20 23:47 ` John Hubbard
2019-02-20 23:59 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-02-21 0:06 ` John Hubbard
2019-02-21 0:15 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-02-21 0:32 ` John Hubbard
2019-02-21 0:37 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-02-21 0:42 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-29 16:54 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm/hmm: do not erase snapshot when a range is invalidated jglisse
2019-02-20 23:58 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-29 16:54 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm/hmm: improve and rename hmm_vma_get_pfns() to hmm_range_snapshot() jglisse
2019-02-21 0:25 ` John Hubbard
2019-02-21 0:28 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-29 16:54 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm/hmm: improve and rename hmm_vma_fault() to hmm_range_fault() jglisse
2019-01-29 16:54 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm/hmm: improve driver API to work and wait over a range jglisse
2019-01-29 16:54 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm/hmm: add default fault flags to avoid the need to pre-fill pfns arrays jglisse
2019-01-29 16:54 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm/hmm: add an helper function that fault pages and map them to a device jglisse
2019-03-18 20:21 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-18 20:41 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-18 21:30 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-18 22:15 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-19 3:29 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-19 13:30 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-19 8:44 ` Ira Weiny
2019-03-19 17:10 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-19 14:10 ` Ira Weiny
2019-01-29 16:54 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm/hmm: support hugetlbfs (snap shoting, faulting and DMA mapping) jglisse
2019-01-29 16:54 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm/hmm: allow to mirror vma of a file on a DAX backed filesystem jglisse
2019-01-29 18:41 ` Dan Williams
2019-01-29 19:31 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-29 20:51 ` Dan Williams
2019-01-29 21:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-30 2:32 ` Dan Williams
2019-01-30 3:03 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-30 17:25 ` Dan Williams
2019-01-30 18:36 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-31 3:28 ` Dan Williams
2019-01-31 4:16 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-31 5:44 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-05 22:16 ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-06 4:20 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-06 15:51 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-06 15:57 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-06 16:03 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-06 16:06 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-07 17:46 ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-07 18:56 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-12 3:13 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-12 15:25 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-12 16:06 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-12 19:06 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-12 19:30 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-12 20:34 ` Dave Chinner
2019-03-13 1:06 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2019-03-12 21:52 ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-13 0:10 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-13 0:46 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-13 1:00 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-13 16:06 ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-13 18:39 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-06 15:49 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-06 22:18 ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-07 0:36 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-29 16:54 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm/hmm: add helpers for driver to safely take the mmap_sem jglisse
2019-02-20 21:59 ` John Hubbard
2019-02-20 22:19 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-02-20 22:40 ` John Hubbard
2019-02-20 23:09 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-02-20 23:17 ` [PATCH 00/10] HMM updates for 5.1 John Hubbard
2019-02-20 23:36 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-02-22 23:31 ` Ralph Campbell
2019-03-13 1:27 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-13 16:10 ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-13 18:01 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-03-13 18:33 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-18 17:00 ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-03-18 17:04 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-18 18:30 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-18 18:54 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-18 19:18 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-18 19:28 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-18 19:36 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-19 16:40 ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-19 16:58 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-19 17:12 ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-19 17:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-19 17:33 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-19 17:45 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-19 18:42 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-19 19:05 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-19 19:13 ` Dan Williams
2019-03-19 14:18 ` Ira Weiny
2019-03-19 22:24 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-19 19:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-19 20:25 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-03-19 21:51 ` Stephen Rothwell
2019-03-19 18:51 ` Deucher, Alexander
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