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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
Cc: "James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
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Subject: Re: [v1 0/2] "Hotremove" persistent memory
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 09:34:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4h73gUwntDYx012qcyMYCmzZDU3HOvKcW5DRkO-GoTc+w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190420153148.21548-1-pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 8:32 AM Pavel Tatashin
<pasha.tatashin@soleen.com> wrote:
>
> Recently, adding a persistent memory to be used like a regular RAM was
> added to Linux. This work extends this functionality to also allow hot
> removing persistent memory.
>
> We (Microsoft) have a very important use case for this functionality.
>
> The requirement is for physical machines with small amount of RAM (~8G)
> to be able to reboot in a very short period of time (<1s). Yet, there is
> a userland state that is expensive to recreate (~2G).
>
> The solution is to boot machines with 2G preserved for persistent
> memory.

Makes sense, but I have some questions about the details.

>
> Copy the state, and hotadd the persistent memory so machine still has all
> 8G for runtime. Before reboot, hotremove device-dax 2G, copy the memory
> that is needed to be preserved to pmem0 device, and reboot.
>
> The series of operations look like this:
>
>         1. After boot restore /dev/pmem0 to boot
>         2. Convert raw pmem0 to devdax
>         ndctl create-namespace --mode devdax --map mem -e namespace0.0 -f
>         3. Hotadd to System RAM
>         echo dax0.0 > /sys/bus/dax/drivers/device_dax/unbind
>         echo dax0.0 > /sys/bus/dax/drivers/kmem/new_id
>         4. Before reboot hotremove device-dax memory from System RAM
>         echo dax0.0 > /sys/bus/dax/drivers/kmem/unbind
>         5. Create raw pmem0 device
>         ndctl create-namespace --mode raw  -e namespace0.0 -f
>         6. Copy the state to this device

What is the source of this copy? The state that was in the hot-added
memory? Isn't it "already there" since you effectively renamed dax0.0
to pmem0?

>         7. Do kexec reboot, or reboot through firmware, is firmware does not
>         zero memory in pmem region.

Wouldn't the dax0.0 contents be preserved regardless? How does the
guest recover the pre-initialized state / how does the kernel know to
give out the same pages to the application as the previous boot?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-20 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-20 15:31 Pavel Tatashin
2019-04-20 15:31 ` [v1 1/2] device-dax: fix memory and resource leak if hotplug fails Pavel Tatashin
2019-04-20 15:31 ` [v1 2/2] device-dax: "Hotremove" persistent memory that is used like normal RAM Pavel Tatashin
2019-04-20 16:18   ` Dan Williams
2019-04-20 16:30     ` Pavel Tatashin
2019-04-20 16:36       ` Dan Williams
2019-04-20 17:01         ` Pavel Tatashin
2019-04-20 21:02           ` Dan Williams
2019-04-20 22:04             ` Pavel Tatashin
2019-04-20 23:19               ` Dan Williams
2019-04-20 16:34 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2019-04-20 16:56   ` [v1 0/2] "Hotremove" persistent memory Pavel Tatashin

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