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From: Frank van der Linden <fvdl@google.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Zhongkun He <hezhongkun.hzk@bytedance.com>,
	corbet@lwn.net, akpm@linux-foundation.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, wuyun.abel@bytedance.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] mm: add new syscall pidfd_set_mempolicy()
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 10:22:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPTztWZZOxtzdEm=wbOiL_VDPJuCaW0XVCvsdRpCHE+ph+5eZQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y0WE/lEiNvl2ljo1@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:00 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon 10-10-22 09:22:13, Frank van der Linden wrote:
> > For consistency with process_madvise(), I would suggest calling it
> > process_set_mempolicy.
>
> This operation has per-thread rather than per-process semantic so I do
> not think your proposed naming is better.

True. I suppose you could argue that it should have been
pidfd_madvise() then for consistency, but that ship has sailed.

>
> > Other than that, this makes sense. To complete
> > the set, perhaps a process_mbind() should be added as well. What do
> > you think?
>
> Is there any real usecase for this interface? How is the caller supposed
> to make per-range decisions without a very involved coordination with
> the target process?

The use case for a potential pidfd_mbind() is basically a combination
of what is described for in the process_madvise proposal (
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20200901000633.1920247-1-minchan@kernel.org/
), and what this proposal describes: system management software acting
as an orchestrator that has a better overview of the system as a whole
(NUMA nodes, memory tiering), and has knowledge of the layout of the
processes involved.

pidfd_mbind()  makes sense to me, since the notion of an external
agent with knowledge of the VM layout is already there with
process_madvise(). And since set_mempolicy and mbind are closely
related, it would seem logical to add an mbind variant as well as
pidfd_set_mempolicy().

Having said that, I'm fine with leaving that discussion for another time.

- Frank


  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-11 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-10  9:48 Zhongkun He
2022-10-10 16:22 ` Frank van der Linden
2022-10-11 15:00   ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-11 17:22     ` Frank van der Linden [this message]
2022-10-11 19:29       ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-12  3:14         ` Abel Wu
2022-10-12 12:34         ` Vinicius Petrucci
2022-10-12 13:07           ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-12 13:23             ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-12 16:51           ` Frank van der Linden
2022-10-11 14:57 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-12  7:55   ` [External] " Zhongkun He
2022-10-12  9:02     ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-12 11:22       ` Zhongkun He
2022-10-12 12:15         ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-13 10:44           ` Zhongkun He
2022-10-13 11:26             ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-13 12:50               ` Zhongkun He
2022-10-13 13:17                 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-13 13:42                   ` Zhongkun He
2022-10-12  4:16 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-10-12  8:18   ` [External] " Zhongkun He

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