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From: davide rossetti <davide.rossetti@gmail.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: Haggai Eran <haggaie@mellanox.com>,
	Kovalyov Artemy <artemyko@mellanox.com>,
	"dledford@redhat.com" <dledford@redhat.com>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"leon@leon.ro" <leon@leon.ro>, Sagi Grimberg <sagig@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/7] Peer-direct memory
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:13:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPSaadx3vNBSxoWuvjrTp2n8_-DVqofttFGZRR+X8zdWwV86nw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPSaadxbFCOcKV=c3yX7eGw9Wqzn3jvPRZe2LMWYmiQcijT4nw@mail.gmail.com>

resending, sorry

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Jason Gunthorpe
<jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 04:27:20PM +0200, Haggai Eran wrote:
> > [apologies: sending again because linux-mm address was wrong]
> >
> > On 11/02/2016 21:18, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > Resubmit those parts under the mm subsystem, or another more
> > > appropriate place.
> >
> > We want the feedback from linux-mm, and they are now Cced.
>
> Resubmit to mm means put this stuff someplace outside
> drivers/infiniband in the tree and don't try and inappropriately send
> memory management stuff through Doug's tree.
>

Jason,
I beg to differ.

1) I see mm as appropriate for real memory, i.e. something that
user-space apps can pass around. This is not totally true for BAR
memory, for instance:
 a) as long as CPU initiated atomic ops are not supported on BAR space
of PCIe devices.
 b) OTOT, CPU reading from BAR is awful (BW being abysmal,~10MB/s),
while high BW writing requires use of vector instructions (at least on
x86_64).
Bottom line is, BAR mappings are not like plain memory.

2) Instead, I see appropriate that two sophisticated devices, like an
IB NIC and a storage/accelerator device, can freely target each other
for I/O, i.e. exchanging peer-to-peer PCIe transactions. And as long
as the existing sophisticated initiators are confined to the RDMA
subsystem, that is where this support belongs to.

On a different note, this reminds me that the current patch set may be
missing a way to disable the use of platform PCIe atomics when the
target is the BAR of a peer device.

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-17  4:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1455207177-11949-1-git-send-email-artemyko@mellanox.com>
     [not found] ` <20160211191838.GA23675@obsidianresearch.com>
2016-02-14 14:27   ` Haggai Eran
2016-02-16 18:22     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-02-17  4:03       ` davide rossetti
2016-02-17  4:13         ` davide rossetti [this message]
2016-02-17  4:44           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-02-17  8:49             ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-02-18 17:12               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-02-17  8:44           ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-02-17 15:25             ` Haggai Eran
2016-02-19 18:54               ` Dan Williams
     [not found]   ` <20160212201328.GA14122@infradead.org>
     [not found]     ` <20160212203649.GA10540@obsidianresearch.com>
     [not found]       ` <56C09C7E.4060808@dev.mellanox.co.il>
     [not found]         ` <36F6EBABA23FEF4391AF72944D228901EB70C102@BBYEXM01.pmc-sierra.internal>
2016-02-21  9:06           ` Haggai Eran
2016-02-24 23:45             ` Stephen Bates
2016-02-25 11:27               ` Haggai Eran

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