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From: Vishal Moola <vishal.moola@gmail.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 04/34] pgtable: Create struct ptdesc
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 14:28:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOzc2pwhoF=XNCoe-+w2Z5MRoRJGvTfSr56HV00OGitEBMtPcw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fd63179-6ad6-fd86-79d6-2833c91111f8@google.com>

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 12:57 AM Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023, Vishal Moola (Oracle) wrote:
>
> > Currently, page table information is stored within struct page. As part
> > of simplifying struct page, create struct ptdesc for page table
> > information.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Vishal Moola (Oracle) <vishal.moola@gmail.com>
>
> Vishal, as I think you have already guessed, your ptdesc series and
> my pte_free_defer() "mm: free retracted page table by RCU" series are
> on a collision course.
>
> Probably just trivial collisions in most architectures, which either
> of us can easily adjust to the other; powerpc likely to be more awkward,
> but fairly easily resolved; s390 quite a problem.
>
> I've so far been unable to post a v2 of my series (and powerpc and s390
> were stupidly wrong in the v1), because a good s390 patch is not yet
> decided - Gerald Schaefer and I are currently working on that, on the
> s390 list (I took off most Ccs until we are settled and I can post v2).
>
> As you have no doubt found yourself, s390 has sophisticated handling of
> free half-pages already, and I need to add rcu_head usage in there too:
> it's tricky to squeeze it all in, and ptdesc does not appear to help us
> in any way (though mostly it's just changing some field names, okay).
>
> If ptdesc were actually allowing a flexible structure which architectures
> could add into, that would (in some future) be nice; but of course at
> present it's still fitting it all into one struct page, and mandating
> new restrictions which just make an architecture's job harder.

A goal of ptdescs is to make architecture's jobs simpler and standardized.
Unfortunately, ptdescs are nowhere near isolated from struct page yet.
This version of struct ptdesc contains the exact number of fields architectures
need right now, just reorganized to be located next to each other. It *probably*
shouldn't make an architectures job harder, aside from discouraging their use
of yet even more members of struct page.

> Some notes on problematic fields below FYI.
>
> > ---
> >  include/linux/pgtable.h | 51 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  1 file changed, 51 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/include/linux/pgtable.h b/include/linux/pgtable.h
> > index c5a51481bbb9..330de96ebfd6 100644
> > --- a/include/linux/pgtable.h
> > +++ b/include/linux/pgtable.h
> > @@ -975,6 +975,57 @@ static inline void ptep_modify_prot_commit(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> >  #endif /* __HAVE_ARCH_PTEP_MODIFY_PROT_TRANSACTION */
> >  #endif /* CONFIG_MMU */
> >
> > +
> > +/**
> > + * struct ptdesc - Memory descriptor for page tables.
> > + * @__page_flags: Same as page flags. Unused for page tables.
> > + * @pt_list: List of used page tables. Used for s390 and x86.
> > + * @_pt_pad_1: Padding that aliases with page's compound head.
> > + * @pmd_huge_pte: Protected by ptdesc->ptl, used for THPs.
> > + * @_pt_s390_gaddr: Aliases with page's mapping. Used for s390 gmap only.
> > + * @pt_mm: Used for x86 pgds.
> > + * @pt_frag_refcount: For fragmented page table tracking. Powerpc and s390 only.
> > + * @ptl: Lock for the page table.
> > + *
> > + * This struct overlays struct page for now. Do not modify without a good
> > + * understanding of the issues.
> > + */
> > +struct ptdesc {
> > +     unsigned long __page_flags;
> > +
> > +     union {
> > +             struct list_head pt_list;
>
> I shall be needing struct rcu_head rcu_head (or pt_rcu_head or whatever,
> if you prefer) in this union too.  Sharing the lru or pt_list with rcu_head
> is what's difficult to get right and efficient on s390 - and if ptdesc gave
> us an independent rcu_head for each page table, that would be a blessing!
> but sadly not, it still has to squeeze into a struct page.

I can add a pt_rcu_head along with a comment to deter aliasing issues :)
Independent rcu_heads aren't coming any time soon though :(

> > +             struct {
> > +                     unsigned long _pt_pad_1;
> > +                     pgtable_t pmd_huge_pte;
> > +             };
> > +     };
> > +     unsigned long _pt_s390_gaddr;
> > +
> > +     union {
> > +             struct mm_struct *pt_mm;
> > +             atomic_t pt_frag_refcount;
>
> Whether s390 will want pt_mm is not yet decided: I want to use it,
> Gerald prefers to go without it; but if we do end up using it,
> then pt_frag_refcount is a luxury we would have to give up.

I don't like the use of pt_mm for s390 either. s390 uses space equivalent
to all five words allocated in the page table struct (albeit in various places
of struct page). Using extra space (especially allocated for unrelated
reasons) just because it exists makes things more complicated and
confusing, and s390 is already confusing enough as a result of that.

If having access to pt_mm is necessary I can drop the
pt_frag_refcount patch, but I'd rather avoid it.

> s390 does very well already with its _refcount tricks, and I'd expect
> powerpc's simpler but more wasteful implementation to work as well
> with _refcount too - I know that a few years back, powerpc did misuse
> _refcount (it did not allow for speculative accesses, thought it had
> sole ownership of that field); but s390 copes well with that, and I
> expect powerpc can do so too, without the luxury of pt_frag_refcount.
>
> But I've no desire to undo powerpc's use of pt_frag_refcount:
> just warning that we may want to undo any use of it in s390.
>
> I thought I had more issues to mention, probably Gerald will
> remind me of a whole new unexplored dimension! gmap perhaps.
>
> Hugh
>
> > +     };
> > +
> > +#if ALLOC_SPLIT_PTLOCKS
> > +     spinlock_t *ptl;
> > +#else
> > +     spinlock_t ptl;
> > +#endif
> > +};
> > +
> > +#define TABLE_MATCH(pg, pt)                                          \
> > +     static_assert(offsetof(struct page, pg) == offsetof(struct ptdesc, pt))
> > +TABLE_MATCH(flags, __page_flags);
> > +TABLE_MATCH(compound_head, pt_list);
> > +TABLE_MATCH(compound_head, _pt_pad_1);
> > +TABLE_MATCH(pmd_huge_pte, pmd_huge_pte);
> > +TABLE_MATCH(mapping, _pt_s390_gaddr);
> > +TABLE_MATCH(pt_mm, pt_mm);
> > +TABLE_MATCH(ptl, ptl);
> > +#undef TABLE_MATCH
> > +static_assert(sizeof(struct ptdesc) <= sizeof(struct page));
> > +
> >  /*
> >   * No-op macros that just return the current protection value. Defined here
> >   * because these macros can be used even if CONFIG_MMU is not defined.
> > --
> > 2.40.1


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-06-16 21:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-12 21:03 [PATCH v4 00/34] Split ptdesc from struct page Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-12 21:03 ` [PATCH v4 01/34] mm: Add PAGE_TYPE_OP folio functions Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:02   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:03 ` [PATCH v4 02/34] s390: Use _pt_s390_gaddr for gmap address tracking Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:14   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:03 ` [PATCH v4 03/34] s390: Use pt_frag_refcount for pagetables Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:21   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:03 ` [PATCH v4 04/34] pgtable: Create struct ptdesc Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:34   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-15  7:57   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-16 20:38     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-06-16 21:28     ` Vishal Moola [this message]
2023-06-16 12:38   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-20 20:01     ` Vishal Moola
2023-06-20 23:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-20 23:10         ` Vishal Moola
2023-06-12 21:03 ` [PATCH v4 05/34] mm: add utility functions for ptdesc Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:48   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:03 ` [PATCH v4 06/34] mm: Convert pmd_pgtable_page() to pmd_ptdesc() Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:51   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:03 ` [PATCH v4 07/34] mm: Convert ptlock_alloc() to use ptdescs Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:51   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:03 ` [PATCH v4 08/34] mm: Convert ptlock_ptr() " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:52   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:03 ` [PATCH v4 09/34] mm: Convert pmd_ptlock_init() " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:52   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:03 ` [PATCH v4 10/34] mm: Convert ptlock_init() " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:57   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 11/34] mm: Convert pmd_ptlock_free() " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:59   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 12/34] mm: Convert ptlock_free() " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 13:59   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 13/34] mm: Create ptdesc equivalents for pgtable_{pte,pmd}_page_{ctor,dtor} Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 14:10   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 14/34] powerpc: Convert various functions to use ptdescs Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 14:19   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 15/34] x86: " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 14:27   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 16/34] s390: Convert various gmap " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 14:28   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 17/34] s390: Convert various pgalloc " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 14:46   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 18/34] mm: Remove page table members from struct page Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 14:53   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 19/34] pgalloc: Convert various functions to use ptdescs Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 14:59   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 20/34] arm: " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:03   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 21/34] arm64: " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:05   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-14 16:41   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 22/34] csky: Convert __pte_free_tlb() " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:07   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 23/34] hexagon: " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:07   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 24/34] loongarch: Convert various functions " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:09   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 25/34] m68k: " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-13  7:28   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-06-14 15:12   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 26/34] mips: " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:16   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 27/34] nios2: Convert __pte_free_tlb() " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-13 22:16   ` Dinh Nguyen
2023-06-14  9:30     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-06-14 21:23       ` Dinh Nguyen
2023-06-14 15:16   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 28/34] openrisc: " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:17   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 29/34] riscv: Convert alloc_{pmd, pte}_late() " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:18   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 30/34] sh: Convert pte_free_tlb() " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:19   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 31/34] sparc64: Convert various functions " Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:20   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 32/34] sparc: Convert pgtable_pte_page_{ctor, dtor}() to ptdesc equivalents Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:20   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 33/34] um: Convert {pmd, pte}_free_tlb() to use ptdescs Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:21   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-06-12 21:04 ` [PATCH v4 34/34] mm: Remove pgtable_{pmd, pte}_page_{ctor, dtor}() wrappers Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2023-06-14 15:23   ` Mike Rapoport

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