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From: Wenchao Hao <haowenchao22@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	 Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Add AnonZero accounting for zero-filled anonymous pages
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 23:22:20 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOptpSP1zx1akeGkZEuPBx1Fk8uz8rs4_m5c55GwPUROmCGxKg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260214084514.2842745-1-haowenchao22@gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 14, 2026 at 4:45 PM Wenchao Hao <haowenchao22@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Add kernel command line option "count_zero_page" to track anonymous pages
> have been allocated and mapped to userspace but zero-filled.
>
> This feature is mainly used to debug large folio mechanism, which
> pre-allocates and map more pages than actually needed, leading to memory
> waste from unaccessed pages.
>
> Export the result in /proc/pid/smaps as "AnonZero" field.
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20260210043456.2137482-1-haowenchao22@gmail.com/

Sorry for the late reply. We are now on Chinese New Year holiday, so...

The original goal of this patch is to measure memory waste from anonymous
THPs - pages pre-allocated on fault but never accessed.

On memory-sensitive devices like mobile phones, this helps us make better
decisions about when and how to enable THP. I think this is useful for
guiding THP policies, even as a debugging feature.

Let me summarize the discussion so far:
- Matthew Wilcox questioned the value and raised concerns fork but haven't
  exec path
- Michal Hocko criticized the inefficiency of scanning zero-filled pages.
- Kiryl Shutsemau prefers a system-call-based interface.
- David Hildenbrand acknowledged the value and suggested implementation
  improvements.
Please correct me if I missed or misrepresented anything.

I suggest we first agree whether this functionality is useful for upstream,
before discussing implementation details.

Reasons why this should go upstream from me:

- Anonymous THP can introduce real memory waste, but we currently have no
  good way to measure it.
- With accurate metrics, we can make better THP policy: disable for
  low-utilization cases, or early-unmap to relieve memory pressure and so
  on. This is especially valuable for mobile/embedded devices.

Possible implementations:

1. A new smaps counter (default-off) to count zero-filled pages.
2. A new madvise command like MADV_GET_ZEROPAGE
3. A dedicated system call

I welcome feedback on whether this is useful, and any better approaches.

Thank you.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-17 15:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-14  8:45 Wenchao Hao
2026-02-16 11:34 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-16 11:45   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 11:58     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-16 12:19       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 15:59       ` Wenchao Hao
2026-02-16 16:42         ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-16 16:56           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 17:10             ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-16 17:17               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 16:54         ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-16 17:01           ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-16 17:10             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 17:18             ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-16 12:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 15:10   ` Wenchao Hao
2026-02-16 15:18     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-16 14:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-16 15:55   ` Wenchao Hao
2026-02-16 17:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-17 15:22 ` Wenchao Hao [this message]
2026-02-17 20:29   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-17 21:53     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19  2:11       ` Wenchao Hao
2026-02-18  7:52   ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-19  2:47     ` Wenchao Hao

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