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From: Nish Aravamudan <nish.aravamudan@gmail.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jiang Liu <jiang.liu@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Nishanth Aravamudan <nacc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC Patch V1 00/30] Enable memoryless node on x86 platforms
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:48:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOhV88O9TnucGqmW_MbTwhBMmr8dwCfkFQDSP=GD3QSdeqF6Dw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1407141818590.8808@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

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Hi David,

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:19 PM, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Jiri Kosina wrote:
>
> > I am pretty sure I've seen ppc64 machine with memoryless NUMA node.
> >
>
> Yes, Nishanth Aravamudan (now cc'd) has been working diligently on the
> problems that have been encountered, including problems in generic kernel
> code, on powerpc with memoryless nodes.

Thanks for Cc'ing me on this discussion. I'm going to review Jiang's
patchset now, as best I can, but yes I can confirm we see memoryless nodes
somewhat frequently on powerpc under PowerVM, due to presumably hypervisor
fragmentation (the reason isn't clear to an LPAR, as it's just given a
topology).

I agree with Dave Hansen that this seems like a "good thing" to try and
figure out, unless KVM decides it's going to hide the underlying topology
of a guest's memory from the guest -- which I think could lead (eventually)
to confusing performance results.

I believe I have also seen them in hardware on ia64 (cpu-only and
memory-only drawers), but not sure if those specific models are in
production still.

Finally, I will say that in working on supporting memoryless nodes, I've
come across what look like bugs in the NUMA code. Or more accurately,
assumptions which aren't always true. So it's a useful exercise for that
reason to.

Thanks,
Nish

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-18 17:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-11  7:37 Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 01/30] mm, kernel: Use cpu_to_mem()/numa_mem_id() to support memoryless node Jiang Liu
2014-07-11 15:14   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-21 17:15     ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-21 17:33       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-12 12:32   ` Jens Axboe
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 02/30] mm, sched: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 03/30] mm, net: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 04/30] mm, netfilter: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 05/30] mm, perf: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 06/30] mm, tracing: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 07/30] mm: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11 13:51   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-11 14:42   ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-11 15:13     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-11 15:21       ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-11 15:33         ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-11 15:55           ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-11 15:58             ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-11 16:04               ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-11 15:58         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-11 16:01           ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-11 16:19             ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-11 16:24               ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-11 17:29                 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-11 18:28                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-11 19:11                     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-07-23  3:16                       ` Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 08/30] mm, thp: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 09/30] mm, memcg: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-18  7:36   ` Michal Hocko
2014-07-23  3:18     ` Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 10/30] mm, xfrm: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 11/30] mm, char/mspec.c: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 12/30] mm, IB/qib: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 13/30] mm, i40e: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 14/30] mm, i40evf: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 15/30] mm, igb: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-21 17:42   ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-21 19:53     ` Alexander Duyck
2014-07-21 21:09       ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-23  3:20         ` Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 16/30] mm, ixgbe: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 17/30] mm, intel_powerclamp: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-21 17:38   ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 18/30] mm, bnx2fc: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 19/30] mm, bnx2i: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 20/30] mm, fcoe: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 21/30] mm, irqchip: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-18 12:40   ` Jason Cooper
2014-07-23  3:47     ` Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 22/30] mm, of: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-21 17:52   ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-28 13:30     ` Grant Likely
2014-07-28 19:26       ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 23/30] mm, x86: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 24/30] mm, x86/platform/uv: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 25/30] mm, x86, kvm: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:44   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 26/30] mm, x86, perf: " Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 27/30] x86, numa: Kill useless code to improve code readability Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 28/30] mm: Update _mem_id_[] for every possible CPU when memory configuration changes Jiang Liu
2014-07-21 17:47   ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-23  8:16     ` Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 29/30] mm, x86: Enable memoryless node support to better support CPU/memory hotplug Jiang Liu
2014-07-24 23:26   ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-25  1:41     ` Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  7:37 ` [RFC Patch V1 30/30] x86, NUMA: Online node earlier when doing CPU hot-addition Jiang Liu
2014-07-24 23:30   ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-25  1:43     ` Jiang Liu
2014-07-25  1:44     ` Jiang Liu
2014-07-11  8:29 ` [RFC Patch V1 00/30] Enable memoryless node on x86 platforms Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-11 15:33   ` Greg KH
2014-07-11 20:02     ` Dave Hansen
2014-07-11 20:20     ` Andi Kleen
2014-07-11 20:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-11 21:58         ` Andi Kleen
2014-07-15  1:18         ` David Rientjes
2014-07-11 23:51       ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-07-11 22:40     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-07-15  1:19       ` David Rientjes
2014-07-18 17:48         ` Nish Aravamudan [this message]
2014-07-21 17:23 ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-21 17:41   ` Tony Luck
2014-07-21 17:57     ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-23  8:20       ` Jiang Liu
2014-07-24 23:32         ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-25  1:50           ` Jiang Liu
2014-08-18 23:30             ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2014-07-21 20:06     ` Peter Zijlstra

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