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From: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Bypass filesystems for reading cached pages
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 09:19:37 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOQ4uxjy6JTAQqvK9pc+xNDfzGQ3ACefTrySXtKb_OcAYQrdzw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200619155036.GZ8681@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 6:52 PM Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
>
>
> This patch lifts the IOCB_CACHED idea expressed by Andreas to the VFS.
> The advantage of this patch is that we can avoid taking any filesystem
> lock, as long as the pages being accessed are in the cache (and we don't
> need to readahead any pages into the cache).  We also avoid an indirect
> function call in these cases.
>
> I'm sure reusing the name call_read_iter() is the wrong way to go about
> this, but renaming all the callers would make this a larger patch.
> I'm happy to do it if something like this stands a chance of being
> accepted.
>
> Compared to Andreas' patch, I removed the -ECANCELED return value.
> We can happily return 0 from generic_file_buffered_read() and it's less
> code to handle that.  I bypass the attempt to read from the page cache
> for O_DIRECT reads, and for inodes which have no cached pages.  Hopefully
> this will avoid calling generic_file_buffered_read() for drivers which
> implement read_iter() (although I haven't audited them all to check that
>
> This could go horribly wrong if filesystems rely on doing work in their
> ->read_iter implementation (eg checking i_size after acquiring their
> lock) instead of keeping the page cache uptodate.  On the other hand,
> the ->map_pages() method is already called without locks, so filesystems
> should already be prepared for this.
>

XFS is taking i_rwsem lock in read_iter() for a surprising reason:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-xfs/CAOQ4uxjpqDQP2AKA8Hrt4jDC65cTo4QdYDOKFE-C3cLxBBa6pQ@mail.gmail.com/
In that post I claim that ocfs2 and cifs also do some work in read_iter().
I didn't go back to check what, but it sounds like cache coherence among
nodes.

So filesystems will need to opt-in to this behavior.

I wonder if we should make this behavior also opt-in by userspace,
for example, RWF_OPPORTUNISTIC_CACHED.

Because if I am not mistaken, even though this change has a potential
to improve many workloads, it may also degrade some workloads in cases
where case readahead is not properly tuned. Imagine reading a large file
and getting only a few pages worth of data read on every syscall.
Or did I misunderstand your patch's behavior in that case?

Another up side of user opt-in flag - it can be used to mitigate the objection
of XFS developers against changing the "atomic write vs. read" behavior.
New flag - no commitment to an XFS specific behavior that nobody knows
if any application out there relies on.

Thanks,
Amir.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-06-20  6:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-19 15:50 Matthew Wilcox
2020-06-19 19:06 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2020-06-19 20:12   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-06-19 21:25     ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2020-06-20  6:19 ` Amir Goldstein [this message]
2020-06-20 19:15   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-06-21  6:00     ` Amir Goldstein
2020-06-22  1:02     ` Dave Chinner
2020-06-22  0:32 ` Dave Chinner
2020-06-22 14:35   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2020-06-22 18:13     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-06-24 12:35       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2020-07-02 15:16         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2020-07-02 17:30           ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-06-23  0:52     ` Dave Chinner
2020-06-23  7:41       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2020-06-22 19:18   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-06-23  2:35     ` Dave Chinner

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