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From: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
To: Tariq Toukan <tariqt@mellanox.com>
Cc: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@mellanox.com>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	Brenden Blanco <bblanco@plumgrid.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 net-next 08/14] mlx4: use order-0 pages for RX
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 08:57:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANn89iJip45peBQB9Tn1mWVg+1QYZH+01CqkAUctd3xqwPw8Zg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ccc4cb9e-9863-02e1-2789-4869aea3c661@mellanox.com>

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Tariq Toukan <tariqt@mellanox.com> wrote:
>

>
> Isn't it the same principle in page_frag_alloc() ?
> It is called form __netdev_alloc_skb()/__napi_alloc_skb().
>
> Why is it ok to have order-3 pages (PAGE_FRAG_CACHE_MAX_ORDER) there?

This is not ok.

This is a very well known problem, we already mentioned that here in the past,
but at least core networking stack uses  order-0 pages on PowerPC.

mlx4 driver suffers from this problem 100% more than other drivers ;)

One problem at a time Tariq. Right now, only mlx4 has this big problem
compared to other NIC.

Then, if we _still_ hit major issues, we might also need to force
napi_get_frags()
to allocate skb->head using kmalloc() instead of a page frag.

That is a very simple fix.

Remember that we have skb->truesize that is an approximation, it will
never be completely accurate,
but we need to make it better.

mlx4 driver pretends to have a frag truesize of 1536 bytes, but this
is obviously wrong when host is under memory pressure
(2 frags per page -> truesize should be 2048)


> By using netdev/napi_alloc_skb, you'll get that the SKB's linear data is a
> frag of a huge page,
> and it is not going to be freed before the other non-linear frags.
> Cannot this cause the same threats (memory pinning and so...)?
>
> Currently, mlx4 doesn't use this generic API, while most other drivers do.
>
> Similar claims are true for TX:
> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/5640f7685831e088fe6c2e1f863a6805962f8e81

We do not have such problem on TX. GFP_KERNEL allocations do not have
the same issues.

Tasks are usually not malicious in our DC, and most serious
applications use memcg or such memory control.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-15 16:57 UTC|newest]

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2017-02-14 12:12         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-02-14 13:45           ` Eric Dumazet
2017-02-14 14:12             ` Eric Dumazet
2017-02-14 14:56             ` Tariq Toukan
2017-02-14 15:51               ` Eric Dumazet
2017-02-14 16:03                 ` Eric Dumazet
2017-02-14 17:29                 ` Tom Herbert
2017-02-15 16:42                   ` Tariq Toukan
2017-02-15 16:57                     ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2017-02-16 13:08                       ` Tariq Toukan
2017-02-16 15:47                         ` Eric Dumazet
2017-02-16 17:05                         ` Tom Herbert
2017-02-16 17:11                           ` Eric Dumazet
2017-02-16 20:49                             ` Saeed Mahameed
2017-02-16 19:03                           ` David Miller
2017-02-16 21:06                             ` Saeed Mahameed
2017-02-14 17:04               ` David Miller
2017-02-14 17:17                 ` David Laight
2017-02-14 17:22                   ` David Miller
2017-02-14 19:38                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-02-14 19:59                   ` David Miller
2017-02-14 17:29               ` Alexander Duyck
2017-02-14 18:46                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-02-14 19:02                   ` Eric Dumazet
2017-02-14 20:02                     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-02-14 21:56                       ` Eric Dumazet
2017-02-14 19:06                   ` Alexander Duyck
2017-02-14 19:50                     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer

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