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From: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Hole punching and mmap races
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 08:22:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANGUGtBnhRjWGK2v-+ExhZExNbYkF9nTBzQNd7-0f6G5sn51Sg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120605055150.GF4347@dastard>

2012/6/5 Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>:
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 02:35:38PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
>> On Sat 19-05-12 11:40:24, Dave Chinner wrote:
>> > So let's step back a moment and have a look at how we've got here.
>> > The problem is that we've optimised ourselves into a corner with the
>> > way we handle page cache truncation - we don't need mmap
>> > serialisation because of the combination of i_size and page locks
>> > mean we can detect truncated pages safely at page fault time. With
>> > hole punching, we don't have that i_size safety blanket, and so we
>> > need some other serialisation mechanism to safely detect whether a
>> > page is valid or not at any given point in time.
>> >
>> > Because it needs to serialise against IO operations, we need a
>> > sleeping lock of some kind, and it can't be the existing IO lock.
>> > And now we are looking at needing a new lock for hole punching, I'm
>> > really wondering if the i_size/page lock truncation optimisation
>> > should even continue to exist. i.e. replace it with a single
>> > mechanism that works for both hole punching, truncation and other
>> > functions that require exclusive access or exclusion against
>> > modifications to the mapping tree.
>> >
>> > But this is only one of the problems in this area.The way I see it
>> > is that we have many kludges in the area of page invalidation w.r.t.
>> > different types of IO, the page cache and mmap, especially when we
>> > take into account direct IO. What we are seeing here is we need
>> > some level of _mapping tree exclusion_ between:
>> >
>> >     1. mmap vs hole punch (broken)
>> >     2. mmap vs truncate (i_size/page lock)
>> >     3. mmap vs direct IO (non-existent)
>> >     4. mmap vs buffered IO (page lock)
>> >     5. writeback vs truncate (i_size/page lock)
>> >     6. writeback vs hole punch (page lock, possibly broken)
>> >     7. direct IO vs buffered IO (racy - flush cache before/after DIO)
>>   Yes, this is a nice summary of the most interesting cases. For completeness,
>> here are the remaining cases:
>>   8. mmap vs writeback (page lock)
>>   9. writeback vs direct IO (as direct IO vs buffered IO)
>>  10. writeback vs buffered IO (page lock)
>>  11. direct IO vs truncate (dio_wait)
>>  12. direct IO vs hole punch (dio_wait)
>>  13. buffered IO vs truncate (i_mutex for writes, i_size/page lock for reads)
>>  14. buffered IO vs hole punch (fs dependent, broken for ext4)
>>  15. truncate vs hole punch (fs dependent)
>>  16. mmap vs mmap (page lock)
>>  17. writeback vs writeback (page lock)
>>  18. direct IO vs direct IO (i_mutex or fs dependent)
>>  19. buffered IO vs buffered IO (i_mutex for writes, page lock for reads)
>>  20. truncate vs truncate (i_mutex)
>>  21. punch hole vs punch hole (fs dependent)
>

I think we have even the xip cases here.

Marco

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-05  6:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-15 22:48 Jan Kara
2012-05-16  2:14 ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-16 13:04   ` Jan Kara
2012-05-17  7:43     ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-17 23:28       ` Jan Kara
2012-05-18 10:12         ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-18 13:32           ` Jan Kara
2012-05-19  1:40             ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-24 12:35               ` Jan Kara
2012-06-05  5:51                 ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-05  6:22                   ` Marco Stornelli [this message]
2012-06-05 23:15                   ` Jan Kara
2012-06-06  0:06                     ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-06  9:58                       ` Jan Kara
2012-06-06 13:36                         ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-07 21:58                           ` Jan Kara
2012-06-08  0:57                             ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-08 21:36                               ` Jan Kara
2012-06-08 23:06                                 ` Dave Chinner
2012-06-12  8:56                                   ` Jan Kara

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