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From: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
To: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	 Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,  Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	 Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	 Chengming Zhou <zhouchengming@bytedance.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 10/10] mm/swap: optimize synchronous swapin
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 15:14:03 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMgjq7D9-6JXOzpd18t8MSBAotHgEG2YZbi4efNkJiwiSJyJmw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r0fwmar4.fsf@yhuang6-desk2.ccr.corp.intel.com>

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 2:49 PM Huang, Ying <ying.huang@intel.com> wrote:
>
> Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 2:24 PM Huang, Ying <ying.huang@intel.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > From: Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>
> >> >
> >> > Interestingly the major performance overhead of synchronous is actually
> >> > from the workingset nodes update, that's because synchronous swap in
> >>
> >> If it's the major overhead, why not make it the first optimization?
> >
> > This performance issue became much more obvious after doing other
> > optimizations, and other optimizations are for general swapin not only
> > for synchronous swapin, that's also how I optimized things step by
> > step, so I kept my patch order...
> >
> > And it is easier to do this after Patch 8/10 which introduces the new
> > interface for swap cache.
> >
> >>
> >> > keeps adding single folios into a xa_node, making the node no longer
> >> > a shadow node and have to be removed from shadow_nodes, then remove
> >> > the folio very shortly and making the node a shadow node again,
> >> > so it has to add back to the shadow_nodes.
> >>
> >> The folio is removed only if should_try_to_free_swap() returns true?
> >>
> >> > Mark synchronous swapin folio with a special bit in swap entry embedded
> >> > in folio->swap, as we still have some usable bits there. Skip workingset
> >> > node update on insertion of such folio because it will be removed very
> >> > quickly, and will trigger the update ensuring the workingset info is
> >> > eventual consensus.
> >>
> >> Is this safe?  Is it possible for the shadow node to be reclaimed after
> >> the folio are added into node and before being removed?
> >
> > If a xa node contains any non-shadow entry, it can't be reclaimed,
> > shadow_lru_isolate will check and skip such nodes in case of race.
>
> In shadow_lru_isolate(),
>
>         /*
>          * The nodes should only contain one or more shadow entries,
>          * no pages, so we expect to be able to remove them all and
>          * delete and free the empty node afterwards.
>          */
>         if (WARN_ON_ONCE(!node->nr_values))
>                 goto out_invalid;
>         if (WARN_ON_ONCE(node->count != node->nr_values))
>                 goto out_invalid;
>
> So, this isn't considered normal and will cause warning now.

Yes, I added an exception in this patch:
-       if (WARN_ON_ONCE(node->count != node->nr_values))
+       if (WARN_ON_ONCE(node->count != node->nr_values &&
mapping->host != NULL))

The code is not a good final solution, but the idea might not be that
bad, list_lru provides many operations like LRU_ROTATE, we can even
lazy remove all the nodes as a general optimization, or add a
threshold for adding/removing a node from LRU.

>
> >>
> >> If so, we may consider some other methods.  Make shadow_nodes per-cpu?
> >
> > That's also an alternative solution if there are other risks.
>
> This appears a general optimization and more clean.

I'm not sure if synchronization between CPUs will make more burden,
because shadow nodes are globally shared, one node can be referenced
by multiple CPUs, I can have a try to see if this is doable. Maybe a
per-cpu batch is better but synchronization might still be an issue.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-27  7:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-26 18:50 [RFC PATCH 00/10] mm/swap: always use swap cache for synchronization Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 01/10] mm/filemap: split filemap storing logic into a standalone helper Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 02/10] mm/swap: move no readahead swapin code to a stand-alone helper Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 03/10] mm/swap: convert swapin_readahead to return a folio Kairui Song
2024-03-26 20:03   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 04/10] mm/swap: remove cache bypass swapin Kairui Song
2024-03-27  6:30   ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-27  6:55     ` Kairui Song
2024-03-27  7:29       ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 05/10] mm/swap: clean shadow only in unmap path Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 06/10] mm/swap: switch to use multi index entries Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 07/10] mm/swap: rename __read_swap_cache_async to swap_cache_alloc_or_get Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 08/10] mm/swap: use swap cache as a synchronization layer Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 09/10] mm/swap: delay the swap cache lookup for swapin Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 10/10] mm/swap: optimize synchronous swapin Kairui Song
2024-03-27  6:22   ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-27  6:37     ` Kairui Song
2024-03-27  6:47       ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-27  7:14         ` Kairui Song [this message]
2024-03-27  8:16           ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-27  8:08   ` Barry Song
2024-03-27  8:44     ` Kairui Song
2024-03-27  2:52 ` [RFC PATCH 00/10] mm/swap: always use swap cache for synchronization Huang, Ying
2024-03-27  3:01   ` Kairui Song
2024-03-27  8:27     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-27  8:32       ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-27  9:39         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-27 11:04       ` Kairui Song

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