From: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
To: Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>
Cc: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Ying Huang <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/9] mm, swap: implement dynamic allocation of swap table
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 00:57:37 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMgjq7CADKhU8r0xg+=xKJ20JybFbXc8mkBNYxaHsp3ZvYfV7g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACePvbUVK45uRPVoO3ubDfQHikebSHFNQOsMTMvJ91QQZH2HwQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 9:20 PM Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 4:15 AM Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 23, 2025 at 3:21 AM Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>
> > >
> > > Now swap table is cluster based, which means free clusters can free its
> > > table since no one should modify it.
> > >
> > > There could be speculative readers, like swap cache look up, protect
> > > them by making them RCU safe. All swap table should be filled with null
> > > entries before free, so such readers will either see a NULL pointer or
> > > a null filled table being lazy freed.
> > >
> > > On allocation, allocate the table when a cluster is used by any order.
> > >
> >
> > Might be a silly question.
> >
> > Just curious—what happens if the allocation fails? Does the swap-out
> > operation also fail? We sometimes encounter strange issues when memory is
> > very limited, especially if the reclamation path itself needs to allocate
> > memory.
> >
> > Assume a case where we want to swap out a folio using clusterN. We then
> > attempt to swap out the following folios with the same clusterN. But if
> > the allocation of the swap_table keeps failing, what will happen?
>
> I think this is the same behavior as the XArray allocation node with no memory.
> The swap allocator will fail to isolate this cluster, it gets a NULL
> ci pointer as return value. The swap allocator will try other cluster
> lists, e.g. non_full, fragment etc.
> If all of them fail, the folio_alloc_swap() will return -ENOMEM. Which
> will propagate back to the try to swap out, then the shrink folio
> list. It will put this page back to the LRU.
>
> The shrink folio list either free enough memory (happy path) or not
> able to free enough memory and it will cause an OOM kill.
>
> I believe previously XArray will also return -ENOMEM at insert a
> pointer and not be able to allocate a node to hold that ponter. It has
> the same error poperation path. We did not change that.
Yes, exactly. The overall behaviour is the same.
The allocation is only needed when a CPU's local swap cluster is
drained and swap allocator needs a new cluster. But after the previous
patch [1], many swap devices will prefer nonfull list. So the chance
that we need a swap table allocation is lower.
If it failed to allocate a swap table for a new cluster, it will try
fallback to frag / reclaim full. Only if all lists are drained,
folio_alloc_swap may fail with -ENOMEM and the caller (lru shink)
either try reclaim some other page or fail with OOM.
I think the fallback of nonfull / free / frag / reclaim-full might
even be helpful to avoid swapout failure when under heavy pressure. I
don't have data for that though, but I did run many test with heavy
pressure and didn't seen any issue.
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20250812-swap-scan-list-v3-0-6d73504d267b@kernel.org/
[1]
>
> Chris
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-02 16:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-22 19:20 [PATCH 0/9] mm, swap: introduce swap table as swap cache (phase I) Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 1/9] mm, swap: use unified helper for swap cache look up Kairui Song
2025-08-27 2:47 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 3:50 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 13:45 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-27 3:52 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-27 13:46 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-28 3:20 ` Baolin Wang
2025-09-01 23:50 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 6:12 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 6:52 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 10:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:32 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 13:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 16:38 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 10:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 17:13 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 8:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-03 17:41 ` Nhat Pham
2025-09-04 16:05 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 2/9] mm, swap: always lock and check the swap cache folio before use Kairui Song
2025-08-27 6:13 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 13:44 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 1:42 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 7:03 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 14:35 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-28 3:41 ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-28 18:05 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 1:53 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 15:15 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 17:17 ` Chris Li
2025-09-01 18:17 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-01 21:10 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 5:40 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 10:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 10:21 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:46 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 13:27 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 3/9] mm, swap: rename and move some swap cluster definition and helpers Kairui Song
2025-08-30 2:31 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 5:53 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 10:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 12:50 ` Chris Li
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 4/9] mm, swap: tidy up swap device and cluster info helpers Kairui Song
2025-08-27 3:47 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-27 17:44 ` Chris Li
2025-08-27 23:46 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-30 2:38 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 6:01 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 9:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 6:02 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 13:33 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 15:03 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 8:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 5/9] mm/shmem, swap: remove redundant error handling for replacing folio Kairui Song
2025-08-25 3:02 ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-25 9:45 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-30 2:41 ` Chris Li
2025-09-03 8:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 6/9] mm, swap: use the swap table for the swap cache and switch API Kairui Song
2025-08-30 1:54 ` Baoquan He
2025-08-30 3:40 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 3:34 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 16:52 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31 1:00 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 11:51 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 9:55 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 11:58 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-02 23:44 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 2:12 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 2:31 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 11:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-03 12:54 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-04 9:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 7/9] mm, swap: remove contention workaround for swap cache Kairui Song
2025-08-30 4:07 ` Chris Li
2025-08-30 15:24 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31 15:54 ` Kairui Song
2025-08-31 20:06 ` Chris Li
2025-08-31 20:04 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 10:06 ` Barry Song
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 8/9] mm, swap: implement dynamic allocation of swap table Kairui Song
2025-08-30 4:17 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 11:15 ` Barry Song
2025-09-02 13:17 ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 16:57 ` Kairui Song [this message]
2025-09-02 23:31 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 2:13 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-03 12:35 ` Chris Li
2025-09-03 20:52 ` Barry Song
2025-09-04 6:50 ` Chris Li
2025-08-22 19:20 ` [PATCH 9/9] mm, swap: use a single page for swap table when the size fits Kairui Song
2025-08-30 4:23 ` Chris Li
2025-08-26 22:00 ` [PATCH 0/9] mm, swap: introduce swap table as swap cache (phase I) Chris Li
2025-08-30 5:44 ` Chris Li
2025-09-04 16:36 ` Kairui Song
2025-09-04 18:50 ` Chris Li
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