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From: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
	lenohou@gmail.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	 axelrasmussen@google.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  weixugc@google.com, wjl.linux@gmail.com,
	yuanchu@google.com,  yuzhao@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/mglru: fix cgroup OOM during MGLRU state switching
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2026 16:00:03 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMgjq7Bqb0M4bjCeaxjAgaB-Kj_kWKVjMMNdG7528w+uTwGnjg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALOAHbBRBot0EXmzPNb2zpgC2GV5NfnzAZuosTb-iygjaw3U=w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 3:43 PM Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 2:58 PM Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I assume latency is not a concern for a very rare
> > MGLRU on/off case. Do you require the switch to happen
> > with zero latency?
> > My main concern is the correctness of the code.
> >
> > Now the proposed patch is:
> >
> > +       bool lrugen_enabled = smp_load_acquire(&lruvec->lrugen.enabled);
> > +       bool lru_draining = smp_load_acquire(&lruvec->lrugen.draining);
> >
> > Then choose MGLRU or active/inactive LRU based on
> > those values.
> >
> > However, nothing prevents those values from changing
> > after they are read. Even within the shrink path,
> > they can still change.

Hi all,

> If these values are changed during reclaim, the currently running
> reclaimer will continue to operate with the old settings, while any
> new reclaimer processes will adopt the new values. This approach
> should prevent any immediate issues, but the primary risk of this
> lockless method is the potential for a user to rapidly toggle the
> MGLRU feature, particularly during an intermediate state.
>
> >
> > So I think we need an rwsem or something similar here —
> > a read lock for shrink and a write lock for on/off. The
> > write lock should happen very rarely.
>
> We can introduce a lock-based mechanism in v2.

I hope we don't need a lock here. Currently there is only a static
key, this patch is already adding more branches, a lock will make
things more complex and the shrinking path is quite performance
sensitive.

> >
> > To be honest, the on/off toggle is quite odd. If possible,
> > I’d prefer not to switch MGLRU or active/inactive
> > dynamically. Once it’s set up during system boot, it
> > should remain unchanged.
>
> While it is well-suited for Android environments, it is not viable for
> Kubernetes production servers, where rebooting is highly disruptive.
> This limitation is precisely why we need to introduce dynamic toggles.

I agree with Barry, the switch isn't supposed to be a knob to be
turned on/off frequently. And I think in the long term we should just
identify the workloads where MGLRU doesn't work well, and fix MGLRU.
Having two LRUs in the kernel is already very odd.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-02  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-28 16:10 Leno Hou
2026-02-28 18:58 ` Andrew Morton
2026-02-28 19:12 ` kernel test robot
2026-02-28 19:23 ` kernel test robot
2026-02-28 20:15 ` kernel test robot
2026-02-28 21:28 ` Barry Song
2026-02-28 22:41   ` Barry Song
2026-03-01  4:10     ` Barry Song
2026-03-02  5:50   ` Yafang Shao
2026-03-02  6:58     ` Barry Song
2026-03-02  7:43       ` Yafang Shao
2026-03-02  8:00         ` Kairui Song [this message]
2026-03-02  8:15           ` Barry Song
2026-03-02  8:25           ` Yafang Shao
2026-03-02  9:20             ` Barry Song
2026-03-02  9:47               ` Kairui Song
2026-03-02  8:03         ` Barry Song
2026-03-02  8:13           ` Yafang Shao
2026-03-02  8:20             ` Barry Song

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