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From: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>, Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>,
	 David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Youngjun Park <youngjun.park@lge.com>,
	 Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	 Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	 "Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 13/19] mm, swap: remove workaround for unsynchronized swap map cache state
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2025 00:01:29 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMgjq7BU5S3cPQSRA2+RriPRNEZzZZK-VeuRiMtAzOgva-ZUKw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4yjU0NmQe0cM2xDkMYVdAWRc2Q1FUMGxpo8cVkEt5ifVQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:21 PM Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 10:18 PM Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 11:07 AM Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >  struct folio *swap_cache_alloc_folio(swp_entry_t entry, gfp_t gfp_mask,
> > > >                                      struct mempolicy *mpol, pgoff_t ilx,
> > > > -                                    bool *new_page_allocated,
> > > > -                                    bool skip_if_exists)
> > > > +                                    bool *new_page_allocated)
> > > >  {
> > > >         struct swap_info_struct *si = __swap_entry_to_info(entry);
> > > >         struct folio *folio;
> > > > @@ -548,8 +542,7 @@ struct folio *swap_cache_alloc_folio(swp_entry_t entry, gfp_t gfp_mask,
> > > >         if (!folio)
> > > >                 return NULL;
> > > >         /* Try add the new folio, returns existing folio or NULL on failure. */
> > > > -       result = __swap_cache_prepare_and_add(entry, folio, gfp_mask,
> > > > -                                             false, skip_if_exists);
> > > > +       result = __swap_cache_prepare_and_add(entry, folio, gfp_mask, false);
> > > >         if (result == folio)
> > > >                 *new_page_allocated = true;
> > > >         else
> > > > @@ -578,7 +571,7 @@ struct folio *swapin_folio(swp_entry_t entry, struct folio *folio)
> > > >         unsigned long nr_pages = folio_nr_pages(folio);
> > > >
> > > >         entry = swp_entry(swp_type(entry), round_down(offset, nr_pages));
> > > > -       swapcache = __swap_cache_prepare_and_add(entry, folio, 0, true, false);
> > > > +       swapcache = __swap_cache_prepare_and_add(entry, folio, 0, true);
> > > >         if (swapcache == folio)
> > > >                 swap_read_folio(folio, NULL);
> > > >         return swapcache;
> > >
> > > I wonder if we could also drop the "charged" — it doesn’t seem
> > > difficult to move the charging step before
> > > __swap_cache_prepare_and_add(), even for swap_cache_alloc_folio()?
> >
> > Hi Barry, thanks for the review and suggestion.
> >
> > It may cause much more serious cgroup thrashing. Charge may cause
> > reclaim, so races swapin will have a much larger race window and cause
> > a lot of repeated folio alloc / charge.
> >
> > This param exists because anon / shmem does their own charge for large
> > folio swapin, and then inserts the folio into the swap cache, which is
> > causing more memory pressure already. I think ideally we want to unify
> > all alloc & charging for swap in folio allocation, and have a
> > swap_cache_alloc_folio that supports `orders`. For raced swapin only
> > one will insert a folio successfully into the swap cache and charge
> > it, which should make the race window very tiny or maybe avoid
> > redundant folio allocation completely with further work. I did some
> > tests and it shows that it will improve the memory usage and avoid
> > some OOM under pressure for (m)THP.
>
> This is quite interesting. I wonder if the change below could help reduce
> mTHP swap thrashing. The fallback order-0 path also changes after
> swap_cache_add_folio(), as order-0 pages are typically the ones triggering
> memcg reclamation.
>
> diff --git a/mm/memory.c b/mm/memory.c
> index 27d91ae3648a..d97f1a8a5ca3 100644
> --- a/mm/memory.c
> +++ b/mm/memory.c
> @@ -4470,11 +4470,13 @@ static struct folio *__alloc_swap_folio(struct
> vm_fault *vmf)
>                 return NULL;
>
>         entry = pte_to_swp_entry(vmf->orig_pte);
> +#if 0
>         if (mem_cgroup_swapin_charge_folio(folio, vma->vm_mm,
>                                            GFP_KERNEL, entry)) {
>                 folio_put(folio);
>                 return NULL;
>         }
> +#endif
>
>         return folio;
>  }
> diff --git a/mm/swap_state.c b/mm/swap_state.c
> index 2bf72d58f6ee..9d0b55deacc6 100644
> --- a/mm/swap_state.c
> +++ b/mm/swap_state.c
> @@ -605,7 +605,7 @@ struct folio *swapin_folio(swp_entry_t entry,
> struct folio *folio)
>         unsigned long nr_pages = folio_nr_pages(folio);
>
>         entry = swp_entry(swp_type(entry), round_down(offset, nr_pages));
> -       swapcache = __swap_cache_prepare_and_add(entry, folio, 0, true);
> +       swapcache = __swap_cache_prepare_and_add(entry, folio, 0,
> folio_order(folio));
>         if (swapcache == folio)
>                 swap_read_folio(folio, NULL);
>         return swapcache;

Yeah, that will surely improve the thrashing issue. Having a
`folio_order` check as the charged parameter looks strange though.
Ideally we will have the swap_cache_alloc_folio to do all the folio
allocation so there won't be many different swap in folio charging
callsites (currently we have like > 3 callsites, anon THP, anon order
0, shmem THP, and the common order 0 in swap_cache_alloc_folio). That
will also help remove a WARN_ON check in Patch 3.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-16 16:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29 15:58 [PATCH 00/19] mm, swap: never bypass swap cache and cleanup flags (swap table phase II) Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 01/19] mm/swap: rename __read_swap_cache_async to swap_cache_alloc_folio Kairui Song
2025-10-30 22:53   ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-11-03  8:28     ` Barry Song
2025-11-03  9:02       ` Kairui Song
2025-11-03  9:10         ` Barry Song
2025-11-03 16:50         ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 02/19] mm, swap: split swap cache preparation loop into a standalone helper Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 03/19] mm, swap: never bypass the swap cache even for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO Kairui Song
2025-11-04  3:47   ` Barry Song
2025-11-04 10:44     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 04/19] mm, swap: always try to free swap cache for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO devices Kairui Song
2025-11-04  4:19   ` Barry Song
2025-11-04  8:26     ` Barry Song
2025-11-04 10:55       ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 05/19] mm, swap: simplify the code and reduce indention Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 06/19] mm, swap: free the swap cache after folio is mapped Kairui Song
2025-11-04  9:14   ` Barry Song
2025-11-04 10:50     ` Kairui Song
2025-11-04 19:52       ` Barry Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 07/19] mm/shmem: never bypass the swap cache for SWP_SYNCHRONOUS_IO Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 08/19] mm/shmem, swap: remove SWAP_MAP_SHMEM Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 09/19] mm, swap: swap entry of a bad slot should not be considered as swapped out Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 10/19] mm, swap: consolidate cluster reclaim and check logic Kairui Song
2025-10-31  5:25   ` YoungJun Park
2025-10-31  7:11     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 11/19] mm, swap: split locked entry duplicating into a standalone helper Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 12/19] mm, swap: use swap cache as the swap in synchronize layer Kairui Song
2025-10-29 19:25   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 13/19] mm, swap: remove workaround for unsynchronized swap map cache state Kairui Song
2025-11-07  3:07   ` Barry Song
2025-11-09 14:18     ` Kairui Song
2025-11-10  7:21       ` Barry Song
2025-11-16 16:01         ` Kairui Song [this message]
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 14/19] mm, swap: sanitize swap entry management workflow Kairui Song
2025-10-29 19:25   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-30  5:25     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 19:25   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-01  4:51   ` YoungJun Park
2025-11-01  8:59     ` Kairui Song
2025-11-01  9:08       ` YoungJun Park
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 15/19] mm, swap: add folio to swap cache directly on allocation Kairui Song
2025-10-29 16:52   ` Kairui Song
2025-10-31  5:56   ` YoungJun Park
2025-10-31  7:02     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 16/19] mm, swap: check swap table directly for checking cache Kairui Song
2025-11-06 21:02   ` Barry Song
2025-11-07  3:13     ` Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 17/19] mm, swap: clean up and improve swap entries freeing Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 18/19] mm, swap: drop the SWAP_HAS_CACHE flag Kairui Song
2025-10-29 15:58 ` [PATCH 19/19] mm, swap: remove no longer needed _swap_info_get Kairui Song
2025-10-30 23:04 ` [PATCH 00/19] mm, swap: never bypass swap cache and cleanup flags (swap table phase II) Yosry Ahmed
2025-10-31  6:58   ` Kairui Song
2025-11-05  7:39 ` Chris Li

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