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From: Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: avoid livelock on !__GFP_FS allocations
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:08:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMbhsRTFWoEaWXQi7vKc3XVqDv3qVBVx8Ax5TfncJF8A4Txj_w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111025112300.GB10797@suse.de>

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 02:26:56AM -0700, Colin Cross wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:39:49PM -0700, Colin Cross wrote:
>> >> Under the following conditions, __alloc_pages_slowpath can loop
>> >> forever:
>> >> gfp_mask & __GFP_WAIT is true
>> >> gfp_mask & __GFP_FS is false
>> >> reclaim and compaction make no progress
>> >> order <= PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER
>> >>
>> >> These conditions happen very often during suspend and resume,
>> >> when pm_restrict_gfp_mask() effectively converts all GFP_KERNEL
>> >> allocations into __GFP_WAIT.
>> > b>
>> >> The oom killer is not run because gfp_mask & __GFP_FS is false,
>> >> but should_alloc_retry will always return true when order is less
>> >> than PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER.
>> >>
>> >> Fix __alloc_pages_slowpath to skip retrying when oom killer is
>> >> not allowed by the GFP flags, the same way it would skip if the
>> >> oom killer was allowed but disabled.
>> >>
>> >> Signed-off-by: Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>
>> >
>> > Hi Colin,
>> >
>> > Your patch functionally seems fine. I see the problem and we certainly
>> > do not want to have the OOM killer firing during suspend. I would prefer
>> > that the IO devices would not be suspended until reclaim was completed
>> > but I imagine that would be a lot harder.
>> >
>> > That said, it will be difficult to remember why checking __GFP_NOFAIL in
>> > this case is necessary and someone might "optimitise" it away later. It
>> > would be preferable if it was self-documenting. Maybe something like
>> > this? (This is totally untested)
>>
>> This issue is not limited to suspend, any GFP_NOIO allocation could
>> end up in the same loop.  Suspend is the most likely case, because it
>> effectively converts all GFP_KERNEL allocations into GFP_NOIO.
>>
>
> I see what you mean with GFP_NOIO but there is an important difference
> between GFP_NOIO and suspend.  A GFP_NOIO low-order allocation currently
> implies __GFP_NOFAIL as commented on in should_alloc_retry(). If no progress
> is made, we call wait_iff_congested() and sleep for a bit. As the system
> is running, kswapd and other process activity will proceed and eventually
> reclaim enough pages for the GFP_NOIO allocation to succeed. In a running
> system, GFP_NOIO can stall for a period of time but your patch will cause
> the allocation to fail. While I expect callers return ENOMEM or handle
> the situation properly with a wait-and-retry loop, there will be
> operations that fail that used to succeed. This is why I'd prefer it was
> a suspend-specific fix unless we know there is a case where a machine
> livelocks due to a GFP_NOIO allocation looping forever and even then I'd
> wonder why kswapd was not helping.

OK, I see the change in behavior you are trying to avoid.  With your
patch GFP_NOIO allocations can still fail during suspend, is that OK?
I'm also worried about GFP_NOIO allocations looping forever when swap
is not enabled, but I've never seen it happen, and it would probably
recover eventually when another tried tried a GFP_KERNEL allocation
and oom killed something.

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-25 17:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-25  6:39 Colin Cross
2011-10-25  7:40 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-10-25  7:51   ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25  8:08     ` Pekka Enberg
2011-10-25 22:12     ` David Rientjes
2011-10-25  9:09 ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25  9:26   ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 11:23     ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 17:08       ` Colin Cross [this message]
2011-11-01 12:28         ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 19:39       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-01 12:29         ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 19:29   ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 22:18   ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  1:46     ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26  5:47       ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  6:12         ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  6:16           ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26  6:24             ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  6:26               ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26  6:33                 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  6:36                   ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26  6:51                     ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  6:57                       ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26  7:10                         ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  7:22                           ` Colin Cross
2011-11-01 12:36                             ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 22:10 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-14 14:04 Mel Gorman
2011-11-14 18:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15 10:30   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-14 23:03 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-15 10:42   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 15:43     ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 16:13 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-15 17:36   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16  0:22     ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16  0:28       ` Colin Cross
2011-11-16  0:45         ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16  7:10           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-16 21:44             ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16 21:58               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-11-16 22:07               ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16 22:48                 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-15 21:40 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16  9:52   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16 21:39     ` David Rientjes

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