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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
	 Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	 Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	 "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	 Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>,  bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Team <kernel-team@fb.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	 Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 0/5] bpf: BPF specific memory allocator.
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 08:25:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALvZod460hip0mQouEVtfcOZ0M21Xmzaa-atxxrUnR3ZisDCNw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ys1ES+CygtnUvArz@dhcp22.suse.cz>

CCing Yosry, Muchun & Johannes

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 2:52 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue 12-07-22 16:39:48, Yafang Shao wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 3:40 PM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > > > Roman already sent reparenting fix:
> > > > https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/netdevbpf/patch/20220711162827.184743-1-roman.gushchin@linux.dev/
> > >
> > > Reparenting is nice but not a silver bullet. Consider a shallow
> > > hierarchy where the charging happens in the first level under the root
> > > memcg. Reparenting to the root is just pushing everything under the
> > > system resources category.
> > >
> >
> > Agreed. That's why I don't like reparenting.
> > Reparenting just reparent the charged pages and then redirect the new
> > charge, but can't reparents the 'limit' of the original memcg.
> > So it is a risk if the original memcg is still being charged. We have
> > to forbid the destruction of the original memcg.
>
> yes, I was toying with an idea like that. I guess we really want a
> measure to keep cgroups around if they are bound to a resource which is
> sticky itself. I am not sure how many other resources like BPF (aka
> module like) we already do charge for memcg but considering the
> potential memory consumption just reparenting will not help in general
> case I am afraid.

Another very obvious example is the filesystem shared between multiple
jobs. We had a similar discussion [1] on LRU reparenting patch series.

For this use-case internally we have a memcg= mount option where the
given memcg is the common ancestor (think of pod in k8s environment)
of the jobs who are sharing the filesystem.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20210330101531.82752-1-songmuchun@bytedance.com/


  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-12 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20220623003230.37497-1-alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
2022-06-27  7:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-28  0:17   ` Christoph Lameter
2022-06-28  5:01     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-06-28 13:57       ` Christoph Lameter
2022-06-28 17:03         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-06-29  2:35           ` Christoph Lameter
2022-06-29  2:49             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-04 16:13               ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-06 17:43                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-19 11:52                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-04 20:34   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-06 17:50     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-06 17:55       ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-06 18:05         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-06 18:21           ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-06 18:26             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-06 18:31               ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-06 18:36                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-06 18:40                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-06 18:51                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-06 18:55                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-08 13:41           ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-08 17:48             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-08 20:13               ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-08 21:55               ` Shakeel Butt
2022-07-10  5:26                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-10  7:32                   ` Shakeel Butt
2022-07-11 12:15                     ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-12  4:39                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-12  7:40                         ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-12  8:39                           ` Yafang Shao
2022-07-12  9:52                             ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-12 15:25                               ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2022-07-12 16:32                                 ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-12 17:26                                   ` Shakeel Butt
2022-07-12 17:36                                     ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-12 18:11                                       ` Shakeel Butt
2022-07-12 18:43                                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-13 13:56                                           ` Yafang Shao
2022-07-12 19:11                                         ` Mina Almasry
2022-07-12 16:24                               ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-18 14:13                                 ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-13  2:39                               ` Roman Gushchin
2022-07-13 14:24                                 ` Yafang Shao
2022-07-13 16:24                                   ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-14  6:15                                     ` Yafang Shao
2022-07-18 17:55                                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-19 11:30                                   ` cgroup specific sticky resources (was: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 0/5] bpf: BPF specific memory allocator.) Michal Hocko
2022-07-19 18:00                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-19 18:01                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-19 18:46                                       ` Mina Almasry
2022-07-19 19:16                                         ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-19 19:30                                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-19 19:38                                             ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-19 19:40                                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-19 19:47                                               ` Mina Almasry
2022-07-19 19:54                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-19 20:16                                                   ` Mina Almasry
2022-07-19 20:29                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-20 12:26                                         ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-12 18:40                           ` [PATCH bpf-next 0/5] bpf: BPF specific memory allocator Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-18 12:27                             ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-13  2:27                           ` Roman Gushchin
2022-07-11 12:22               ` Michal Hocko

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