From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@google.com>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
Cc: jeffxu@chromium.org, skhan@linuxfoundation.org,
keescook@chromium.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com, dverkamp@chromium.org,
hughd@google.com, jorgelo@chromium.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, jannh@google.com,
linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
kernel test robot <lkp@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 6/6] mm/memfd: security hook for memfd_create
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 15:05:28 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALmYWFvU7-+oUEhfvbpQLrYV90iNfWUiF5bsEs_YM4QbZn8kcQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhQKsjiGv3Af0iqg_TLNzCvdTaLnhw+BRTF9OEtJg1hX7g@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 11:22 AM Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 10:00 AM Jeff Xu <jeffxu@google.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 10:29 AM Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:05 AM <jeffxu@chromium.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@google.com>
> > > >
> > > > The new security_memfd_create allows lsm to check flags of
> > > > memfd_create.
> > > >
> > > > The security by default system (such as chromeos) can use this
> > > > to implement system wide lsm to allow only non-executable memfd
> > > > being created.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@google.com>
> > > > Reported-by: kernel test robot <lkp@intel.com>
> > > > ---
> > > > include/linux/lsm_hook_defs.h | 1 +
> > > > include/linux/lsm_hooks.h | 4 ++++
> > > > include/linux/security.h | 6 ++++++
> > > > mm/memfd.c | 5 +++++
> > > > security/security.c | 5 +++++
> > > > 5 files changed, 21 insertions(+)
> > >
> > > We typically require at least one in-tree LSM implementation to
> > > accompany a new LSM hook. Beyond simply providing proof that the hook
> > > has value, it helps provide a functional example both for reviewers as
> > > well as future LSM implementations. Also, while the BPF LSM is
> > > definitely "in-tree", its nature is such that the actual
> > > implementation lives out-of-tree; something like SELinux, AppArmor,
> > > Smack, etc. are much more desirable from an in-tree example
> > > perspective.
> >
> > Thanks for the comments.
> > Would that be OK if I add a new LSM in the kernel to block executable
> > memfd creation ?
>
> If you would be proposing the LSM only to meet the requirement of
> providing an in-tree LSM example, no that would definitely *not* be
> okay.
>
> Proposing a new LSM involves documenting a meaningful security model,
> implementing it, developing tests, going through a (likely multi-step)
> review process, and finally accepting the long term maintenance
> responsibilities of this new LSM. If you are proposing a new LSM
> because you feel the current LSMs do not provide a security model
> which meets your needs, then yes, proposing a new LSM might be a good
> idea. However, if you are proposing a new LSM because you don't want
> to learn how to add a new hook to an existing LSM, then I suspect you
> are misguided/misinformed with the amount of work involved in
> submitting a new LSM.
>
> > Alternatively, it might be possible to add this into SELinux or
> > landlock, it will be a larger change.
>
> It will be a much smaller change than submitting a new LSM, and it
> would have infinitely more value to the community than a throw-away
> LSM where the only use-case is getting your code merged upstream.
>
Thanks, my original thought is this LSM will be used by ChromeOS,
since all of its memfd shall be non-executable. That said, I see the community
will benefit more with this in SELinux.
I will work to add this in SELinux, appreciate help while I'm learning
to add this.
Jeff
> --
> paul-moore.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-12-13 23:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20221209160453.3246150-1-jeffxu@google.com>
[not found] ` <20221209160453.3246150-7-jeffxu@google.com>
2022-12-09 17:02 ` Casey Schaufler
2022-12-09 18:29 ` Paul Moore
2022-12-13 15:00 ` Jeff Xu
2022-12-13 15:37 ` Casey Schaufler
2022-12-13 19:22 ` Paul Moore
2022-12-13 23:05 ` Jeff Xu [this message]
2025-09-20 5:54 ` Abhinav Saxena
2025-09-20 18:58 ` Jeff Xu
2022-12-09 18:15 ` [PATCH v7 0/6] mm/memfd: introduce MFD_NOEXEC_SEAL and MFD_EXEC Paul Moore
[not found] ` <20221209160453.3246150-3-jeffxu@google.com>
2022-12-14 18:52 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] selftests/memfd: add tests for F_SEAL_EXEC Kees Cook
[not found] ` <20221209160453.3246150-4-jeffxu@google.com>
2022-12-14 18:53 ` [PATCH v7 3/6] mm/memfd: add MFD_NOEXEC_SEAL and MFD_EXEC Kees Cook
2022-12-16 18:39 ` SeongJae Park
2022-12-16 19:03 ` Jeff Xu
2022-12-16 19:21 ` Andrew Morton
2022-12-16 19:31 ` SeongJae Park
2022-12-14 18:54 ` [PATCH v7 0/6] mm/memfd: introduce " Kees Cook
2022-12-14 23:32 ` Jeff Xu
2022-12-15 0:08 ` Kees Cook
2022-12-15 16:55 ` Jeff Xu
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