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From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@google.com>
To: Daniel Verkamp <dverkamp@chromium.org>
Cc: jeffxu@chromium.org, skhan@linuxfoundation.org,
	keescook@chromium.org,  akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com, hughd@google.com,
	 jorgelo@chromium.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	mnissler@chromium.org,  jannh@google.com,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] mm/memfd: Add write seals when apply SEAL_EXEC to executable memfd
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 18:29:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALmYWFuR93cgj1_P4=S81Wntg-m_6g-0Vd2JQmrLWmA7=B7QVA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABVzXAkoGoypAs86EG5RsJZ=CXPu3NtTHb7_2=byQt7A7p7krQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Daniel

Thanks for your review.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 3:24 PM Daniel Verkamp <dverkamp@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 5:36 PM <jeffxu@chromium.org> wrote:
> >
> > From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
> >
> > When apply F_SEAL_EXEC to an executable memfd, add write seals also to
> > prevent modification of memfd.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
> > ---
> >  mm/memfd.c                                 |  3 +++
> >  tools/testing/selftests/memfd/memfd_test.c | 25 ++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  2 files changed, 28 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/mm/memfd.c b/mm/memfd.c
> > index 96dcfbfed09e..3a04c0698957 100644
> > --- a/mm/memfd.c
> > +++ b/mm/memfd.c
> > @@ -222,6 +222,9 @@ static int memfd_add_seals(struct file *file, unsigned int seals)
> >                 }
> >         }
> >
> > +       if (seals & F_SEAL_EXEC && inode->i_mode & 0111)
> > +               seals |= F_ALL_SEALS;
> > +
> >         *file_seals |= seals;
> >         error = 0;
> >
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> (Following up on some discussion on the original review, sorry for any
> duplicate comments.)
>
> Making F_SEAL_EXEC imply all seals (including F_SEAL_SEAL) seems a bit
> confusing. This at least needs documentation to make it clear.
>
> Rather than silently adding other seals, perhaps we could return an
> error if the caller requests F_SEAL_EXEC but not the write seals, so
> the other seals would have to be explicitly listed in the application
> code. This would have the same net effect without making the
> F_SEAL_EXEC operation too magical.
>
If we take error out approach, application need to add
F_SEAL_SHRINK|F_SEAL_GROW|F_SEAL_WRITE|F_SEAL_FUTURE_WRITE
when F_SEAL_EXEC is used.
Personally I think it is a bit long. From an API point of view, we can
think of this as
sealing the whole executable instead of just "X" bit.

If there is a new type of write SEAL in future, all applications need
to be updated, that is much harder,
and updating the kernel is easier.

Maybe I should remove F_SEAL_SEAL, so this code is still correct if a
new type of "Non-Write" seal  is added in future.

> Additionally, if the goal is to enforce W^X, I don't think this
> completely closes the gap. There will always be a period where it is
> both writable and executable with this API:
>
> 1. memfd_create(MFD_EXEC). Can't use MFD_NOEXEC since that would seal
> chmod(+x), so the memfd is W + X here.
> 2. write() code to the memfd.
> 3. fcntl(F_ADD_SEALS, F_SEAL_EXEC) to convert the memfd to !W + X.
>
> I think one of the attack vectors involved the attacker waiting for
> another process to create a memfd, pausing/delaying the victim
> process, overwriting the memfd with their own code, and calling exec()
> on it, which is still possible in the window between steps 1 and 3
> with this design.
>
There are also step 4.
4. call exec on the memfd,
In confused deputy attack, attacker wants to inject content into memfd
before step 4,
because step 4 is by a privilege process, attackers can gain root
escalation this way.

Ideally step 2 rewrites the whole memfd,  (injecting  content between
1 and 2 won't work), and
step 3 is the next line after 2, making the process to stop  exactly
between 2 and 3 is not easy.

So enforcing W^X can reduce the attack surface. It also defines the
most secure way for dev,
or else, dev might:
- forget to apply the W seal.
- choose to apply X and W seal in multiple calls, thus adding a gap.

> Thanks,
> -- Daniel

Thanks
Jeff


      reply	other threads:[~2022-12-03  2:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20221202013404.163143-1-jeffxu@google.com>
     [not found] ` <20221202013404.163143-6-jeffxu@google.com>
2022-12-02 10:11   ` [PATCH v3] mm/memfd: security hook for memfd_create kernel test robot
2022-12-02 12:33   ` kernel test robot
2022-12-02 22:58   ` Kees Cook
2022-12-02 23:23     ` Jeff Xu
     [not found] ` <20221202013404.163143-3-jeffxu@google.com>
2022-12-02 11:32   ` [PATCH v3] mm/memfd: add MFD_NOEXEC_SEAL and MFD_EXEC kernel test robot
2022-12-02 13:33   ` kernel test robot
2022-12-02 13:43   ` kernel test robot
2022-12-02 22:56   ` Kees Cook
2022-12-02 23:32     ` Jeff Xu
2022-12-02 22:41 ` [PATCH v3] mm/memfd: " Kees Cook
     [not found] ` <20221202013404.163143-2-jeffxu@google.com>
2022-12-02 22:43   ` [PATCH v3] mm/memfd: add F_SEAL_EXEC Kees Cook
2022-12-02 22:45   ` Kees Cook
     [not found] ` <20221202013404.163143-7-jeffxu@google.com>
2022-12-02 23:23   ` [PATCH v3] mm/memfd: Add write seals when apply SEAL_EXEC to executable memfd Daniel Verkamp
2022-12-03  2:29     ` Jeff Xu [this message]

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