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From: Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Hillf Danton <dhillf@gmail.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Mike Waychison <mikew@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kvm: don't call mmu_shrinker w/o used_mmu_pages
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:07:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALWz4iwVhg23X06T6HP49PKa8z2_-KRx6f64vYrvsT+KoaKp8A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F91E8CC.5080409@redhat.com>

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 04/20/2012 06:11 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:38:41 -0700
>> Ying Han<yinghan@google.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> The mmu_shrink() is heavy by itself by iterating all kvms and holding
>>> the kvm_lock. spotted the code w/ Rik during LSF, and it turns out we
>>> don't need to call the shrinker if nothing to shrink.
>
>
>>> @@ -3900,6 +3905,9 @@ static int mmu_shrink(struct shrinker *shrink,
>>> struct shrink_control *sc)
>>>        if (nr_to_scan == 0)
>>>                goto out;
>>>
>>> +       if (!get_kvm_total_used_mmu_pages())
>>> +               return 0;
>>> +
>
>
>> Do we actually know that this patch helps anything?  Any measurements? Is
>> kvm_total_used_mmu_pages==0 at all common?
>>
>
> On re-reading mmu.c, it looks like even with EPT or NPT,
> we end up creating mmu pages for the nested page tables.

I think you are right here. So the patch doesn't help the real pain.

My understanding of the real pain is the poor implementation of the
mmu_shrinker. It iterates all the registered mmu_shrink callbacks for
each kvm and only does little work at a time while holding two big
locks. I learned from mikew@ (also ++cc-ed) that is causing latency
spikes and unfairness among kvm instance in some of the experiment
we've seen.

Mike might tell more on that.

--Ying

>
> I have not had the time to look into it more, but it would
> be nice to know if the patch has any effect at all.
>
> --
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-20 23:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-13 22:38 Ying Han
2012-04-14 11:44 ` Hillf Danton
2012-04-16 16:43   ` Ying Han
2012-04-20 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2012-04-20 22:53   ` Rik van Riel
2012-04-20 23:07     ` Ying Han [this message]
2012-04-21  1:56       ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2012-04-21  2:15         ` Mike Waychison
2012-04-21  2:29           ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2012-04-21  2:48             ` Mike Waychison
2012-04-22  9:16           ` Avi Kivity
2012-04-22 19:05             ` Eric Northup
2012-04-23  8:37               ` Avi Kivity
2012-04-22  9:04   ` Avi Kivity
2012-04-22  9:35   ` Avi Kivity
2012-04-23 16:40     ` Ying Han
2012-04-23 16:48       ` Rik van Riel
2012-04-23 16:57         ` Avi Kivity

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