From: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
To: Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@redhat.com>
Cc: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, paul@paul-moore.com,
jmorris@namei.org, serge@hallyn.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
ligang.bdlg@bytedance.com, mhocko@suse.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH -mm 0/4] mm, security, bpf: Fine-grained control over memory policy adjustments with lsm bpf
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 10:30:53 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALOAHbDdh+pPExJO391vn+WL+6C65Y4b5M7b0eLGyriACS_VWA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFqZXNsd5QCPQmOprf_iCCDNj8JKLjZWu3yA2=HtCYE+78F75A@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 4:50 PM Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 4:17 AM Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 12:45 AM Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 11/11/2023 11:34 PM, Yafang Shao wrote:
> > > > Background
> > > > ==========
> > > >
> > > > In our containerized environment, we've identified unexpected OOM events
> > > > where the OOM-killer terminates tasks despite having ample free memory.
> > > > This anomaly is traced back to tasks within a container using mbind(2) to
> > > > bind memory to a specific NUMA node. When the allocated memory on this node
> > > > is exhausted, the OOM-killer, prioritizing tasks based on oom_score,
> > > > indiscriminately kills tasks. This becomes more critical with guaranteed
> > > > tasks (oom_score_adj: -998) aggravating the issue.
> > >
> > > Is there some reason why you can't fix the callers of mbind(2)?
> > > This looks like an user space configuration error rather than a
> > > system security issue.
> >
> > It appears my initial description may have caused confusion. In this
> > scenario, the caller is an unprivileged user lacking any capabilities.
> > While a privileged user, such as root, experiencing this issue might
> > indicate a user space configuration error, the concerning aspect is
> > the potential for an unprivileged user to disrupt the system easily.
> > If this is perceived as a misconfiguration, the question arises: What
> > is the correct configuration to prevent an unprivileged user from
> > utilizing mbind(2)?"
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The selected victim might not have allocated memory on the same NUMA node,
> > > > rendering the killing ineffective. This patch aims to address this by
> > > > disabling MPOL_BIND in container environments.
> > > >
> > > > In the container environment, our aim is to consolidate memory resource
> > > > control under the management of kubelet. If users express a preference for
> > > > binding their memory to a specific NUMA node, we encourage the adoption of
> > > > a standardized approach. Specifically, we recommend configuring this memory
> > > > policy through kubelet using cpuset.mems in the cpuset controller, rather
> > > > than individual users setting it autonomously. This centralized approach
> > > > ensures that NUMA nodes are globally managed through kubelet, promoting
> > > > consistency and facilitating streamlined administration of memory resources
> > > > across the entire containerized environment.
> > >
> > > Changing system behavior for a single use case doesn't seem prudent.
> > > You're introducing a bunch of kernel code to avoid fixing a broken
> > > user space configuration.
> >
> > Currently, there is no mechanism in place to proactively prevent an
> > unprivileged user from utilizing mbind(2). The approach adopted is to
> > monitor mbind(2) through a BPF program and trigger an alert if its
> > usage is detected. However, beyond this monitoring, the only recourse
> > is to verbally communicate with the user, advising against the use of
> > mbind(2). As a result, users will question why mbind(2) isn't outright
> > prohibited in the first place.
>
> Is there a reason why you can't use syscall filtering via seccomp(2)?
> AFAIK, all the mainstream container tooling already has support for
> specifying seccomp filters for containers.
seccomp is relatively heavyweight, making it less suitable for
enabling in our production environment. In contrast, LSM offer a more
lightweight and flexible alternative. Moreover, the act of binding to
a specific NUMA node appears akin to a privileged operation,
warranting the consideration of a dedicated LSM hook.
--
Regards
Yafang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-14 2:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20231112073424.4216-1-laoar.shao@gmail.com>
2023-11-12 16:45 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-11-13 3:15 ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-13 8:50 ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2023-11-13 21:23 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-11-14 2:30 ` Yafang Shao [this message]
2023-11-14 10:15 ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-14 11:59 ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-14 16:57 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-11-15 1:52 ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-15 8:45 ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-15 9:33 ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-15 14:26 ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-15 17:09 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-11-16 1:41 ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-15 17:00 ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-16 2:22 ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-12 20:32 ` Paul Moore
2023-11-13 3:17 ` Yafang Shao
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