From: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
To: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
Cc: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
lenohou@gmail.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
axelrasmussen@google.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, weixugc@google.com, wjl.linux@gmail.com,
yuanchu@google.com, yuzhao@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/mglru: fix cgroup OOM during MGLRU state switching
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2026 16:25:04 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALOAHbCma=SW4nu_GPv_pbuuXv1V5JPB-9cA3z1TeemWqU68tg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMgjq7Bqb0M4bjCeaxjAgaB-Kj_kWKVjMMNdG7528w+uTwGnjg@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 4:00 PM Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 3:43 PM Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 2:58 PM Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I assume latency is not a concern for a very rare
> > > MGLRU on/off case. Do you require the switch to happen
> > > with zero latency?
> > > My main concern is the correctness of the code.
> > >
> > > Now the proposed patch is:
> > >
> > > + bool lrugen_enabled = smp_load_acquire(&lruvec->lrugen.enabled);
> > > + bool lru_draining = smp_load_acquire(&lruvec->lrugen.draining);
> > >
> > > Then choose MGLRU or active/inactive LRU based on
> > > those values.
> > >
> > > However, nothing prevents those values from changing
> > > after they are read. Even within the shrink path,
> > > they can still change.
>
> Hi all,
>
> > If these values are changed during reclaim, the currently running
> > reclaimer will continue to operate with the old settings, while any
> > new reclaimer processes will adopt the new values. This approach
> > should prevent any immediate issues, but the primary risk of this
> > lockless method is the potential for a user to rapidly toggle the
> > MGLRU feature, particularly during an intermediate state.
> >
> > >
> > > So I think we need an rwsem or something similar here —
> > > a read lock for shrink and a write lock for on/off. The
> > > write lock should happen very rarely.
> >
> > We can introduce a lock-based mechanism in v2.
>
> I hope we don't need a lock here. Currently there is only a static
> key, this patch is already adding more branches, a lock will make
> things more complex and the shrinking path is quite performance
> sensitive.
>
> > >
> > > To be honest, the on/off toggle is quite odd. If possible,
> > > I’d prefer not to switch MGLRU or active/inactive
> > > dynamically. Once it’s set up during system boot, it
> > > should remain unchanged.
> >
> > While it is well-suited for Android environments, it is not viable for
> > Kubernetes production servers, where rebooting is highly disruptive.
> > This limitation is precisely why we need to introduce dynamic toggles.
>
> I agree with Barry, the switch isn't supposed to be a knob to be
> turned on/off frequently. And I think in the long term we should just
> identify the workloads where MGLRU doesn't work well, and fix MGLRU.
The challenge we're currently facing is that we don't yet know which
workloads would benefit from it ;)
We do want to enable mglru on our production servers, but first we
need to address the risk of OOM during the switch—that's exactly why
we're proposing this patch.
> Having two LRUs in the kernel is already very odd.
It's difficult to completely move away from either one.
Looking forward to your work.
--
Regards
Yafang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-02 8:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-28 16:10 Leno Hou
2026-02-28 18:58 ` Andrew Morton
2026-02-28 19:12 ` kernel test robot
2026-02-28 19:23 ` kernel test robot
2026-02-28 20:15 ` kernel test robot
2026-02-28 21:28 ` Barry Song
2026-02-28 22:41 ` Barry Song
2026-03-01 4:10 ` Barry Song
2026-03-02 5:50 ` Yafang Shao
2026-03-02 6:58 ` Barry Song
2026-03-02 7:43 ` Yafang Shao
2026-03-02 8:00 ` Kairui Song
2026-03-02 8:15 ` Barry Song
2026-03-02 8:25 ` Yafang Shao [this message]
2026-03-02 9:20 ` Barry Song
2026-03-02 9:47 ` Kairui Song
2026-03-02 8:03 ` Barry Song
2026-03-02 8:13 ` Yafang Shao
2026-03-02 8:20 ` Barry Song
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