From: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 mm-new 02/10] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 16:28:46 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALOAHbB_jrsgEMH=HNozW+rASRLwiy9+QtspmSgM7jtZJMthXg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d676324-adc6-4c4c-9d2b-a5e9725bcd6c@lucifer.local>
On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 10:34 PM Lorenzo Stoakes
<lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:44:39AM +0800, Yafang Shao wrote:
> > This patch introduces a new BPF struct_ops called bpf_thp_ops for dynamic
> > THP tuning. It includes a hook bpf_hook_thp_get_order(), allowing BPF
> > programs to influence THP order selection based on factors such as:
> > - Workload identity
> > For example, workloads running in specific containers or cgroups.
> > - Allocation context
> > Whether the allocation occurs during a page fault, khugepaged, swap or
> > other paths.
> > - VMA's memory advice settings
> > MADV_HUGEPAGE or MADV_NOHUGEPAGE
> > - Memory pressure
> > PSI system data or associated cgroup PSI metrics
> >
> > The kernel API of this new BPF hook is as follows,
> >
> > /**
> > * @thp_order_fn_t: Get the suggested THP orders from a BPF program for allocation
> > * @vma: vm_area_struct associated with the THP allocation
> > * @vma_type: The VMA type, such as BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE if VM_HUGEPAGE is set
> > * BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE if VM_NOHUGEPAGE is set, or BPF_THP_VM_NONE if
> > * neither is set.
> > * @tva_type: TVA type for current @vma
> > * @orders: Bitmask of requested THP orders for this allocation
> > * - PMD-mapped allocation if PMD_ORDER is set
> > * - mTHP allocation otherwise
> > *
> > * Return: The suggested THP order from the BPF program for allocation. It will
> > * not exceed the highest requested order in @orders. Return -1 to
> > * indicate that the original requested @orders should remain unchanged.
> > */
> > typedef int thp_order_fn_t(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> > enum bpf_thp_vma_type vma_type,
> > enum tva_type tva_type,
> > unsigned long orders);
> >
> > Only a single BPF program can be attached at any given time, though it can
> > be dynamically updated to adjust the policy. The implementation supports
> > anonymous THP, shmem THP, and mTHP, with future extensions planned for
> > file-backed THP.
> >
> > This functionality is only active when system-wide THP is configured to
> > madvise or always mode. It remains disabled in never mode. Additionally,
> > if THP is explicitly disabled for a specific task via prctl(), this BPF
> > functionality will also be unavailable for that task.
> >
> > This feature requires CONFIG_BPF_GET_THP_ORDER (marked EXPERIMENTAL) to be
> > enabled. Note that this capability is currently unstable and may undergo
> > significant changes—including potential removal—in future kernel versions.
>
> Thanks for highlighting.
>
> >
> > Suggested-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> > Suggested-by: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
> > ---
> > MAINTAINERS | 1 +
> > include/linux/huge_mm.h | 26 ++++-
> > mm/Kconfig | 12 ++
> > mm/Makefile | 1 +
> > mm/huge_memory_bpf.c | 243 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 5 files changed, 280 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > create mode 100644 mm/huge_memory_bpf.c
> >
> > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> > index 8fef05bc2224..d055a3c95300 100644
> > --- a/MAINTAINERS
> > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> > @@ -16252,6 +16252,7 @@ F: include/linux/huge_mm.h
> > F: include/linux/khugepaged.h
> > F: include/trace/events/huge_memory.h
> > F: mm/huge_memory.c
> > +F: mm/huge_memory_bpf.c
>
> THanks!
>
> > F: mm/khugepaged.c
> > F: mm/mm_slot.h
> > F: tools/testing/selftests/mm/khugepaged.c
> > diff --git a/include/linux/huge_mm.h b/include/linux/huge_mm.h
> > index 23f124493c47..f72a5fd04e4f 100644
> > --- a/include/linux/huge_mm.h
> > +++ b/include/linux/huge_mm.h
> > @@ -56,6 +56,7 @@ enum transparent_hugepage_flag {
> > TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_DEFRAG_REQ_MADV_FLAG,
> > TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_DEFRAG_KHUGEPAGED_FLAG,
> > TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_USE_ZERO_PAGE_FLAG,
> > + TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_BPF_ATTACHED, /* BPF prog is attached */
> > };
> >
> > struct kobject;
> > @@ -270,6 +271,19 @@ unsigned long __thp_vma_allowable_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> > enum tva_type type,
> > unsigned long orders);
> >
> > +#ifdef CONFIG_BPF_GET_THP_ORDER
> > +unsigned long
> > +bpf_hook_thp_get_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma, vm_flags_t vma_flags,
> > + enum tva_type type, unsigned long orders);
>
> Thanks for renaming!
>
> > +#else
> > +static inline unsigned long
> > +bpf_hook_thp_get_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma, vm_flags_t vma_flags,
> > + enum tva_type tva_flags, unsigned long orders)
> > +{
> > + return orders;
> > +}
> > +#endif
> > +
> > /**
> > * thp_vma_allowable_orders - determine hugepage orders that are allowed for vma
> > * @vma: the vm area to check
> > @@ -291,6 +305,12 @@ unsigned long thp_vma_allowable_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> > enum tva_type type,
> > unsigned long orders)
> > {
> > + unsigned long bpf_orders;
> > +
> > + bpf_orders = bpf_hook_thp_get_orders(vma, vm_flags, type, orders);
> > + if (!bpf_orders)
> > + return 0;
>
> I think it'd be easier to just do:
>
> /* The BPF-specified order overrides which order is selected. */
> orders &= bpf_hook_thp_get_orders(vma, vm_flags, type, orders);
> if (!orders)
> return 0;
good suggestion!
>
> > +
> > /*
> > * Optimization to check if required orders are enabled early. Only
> > * forced collapse ignores sysfs configs.
> > @@ -304,12 +324,12 @@ unsigned long thp_vma_allowable_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> > ((vm_flags & VM_HUGEPAGE) && hugepage_global_enabled()))
> > mask |= READ_ONCE(huge_anon_orders_inherit);
> >
> > - orders &= mask;
> > - if (!orders)
> > + bpf_orders &= mask;
> > + if (!bpf_orders)
> > return 0
>
> With my suggeted change this would remain the same.
>
> > }
> >
> > - return __thp_vma_allowable_orders(vma, vm_flags, type, orders);
> > + return __thp_vma_allowable_orders(vma, vm_flags, type, bpf_orders);
>
> With my suggeted change this would remain the same.
>
> > }
> >
> > struct thpsize {
> > diff --git a/mm/Kconfig b/mm/Kconfig
> > index d1ed839ca710..4d89d2158f10 100644
> > --- a/mm/Kconfig
> > +++ b/mm/Kconfig
> > @@ -896,6 +896,18 @@ config NO_PAGE_MAPCOUNT
> >
> > EXPERIMENTAL because the impact of some changes is still unclear.
> >
> > +config BPF_GET_THP_ORDER
>
> Yeah, I think we maybe need to sledgehammer this as already Lance was confused
> as to the permenancy of this, and I feel that users might be too, even with the
> '(EXPERIMENTAL)' bit.
>
> So maybe
>
> config BPF_GET_THP_ORDER_EXPERIMENTAL
>
> Just to hammer it home?
ack
>
> > + bool "BPF-based THP order selection (EXPERIMENTAL)"
> > + depends on TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE && BPF_SYSCALL
> > +
> > + help
> > + Enable dynamic THP order selection using BPF programs. This
> > + experimental feature allows custom BPF logic to determine optimal
> > + transparent hugepage allocation sizes at runtime.
> > +
> > + WARNING: This feature is unstable and may change in future kernel
> > + versions.
> > +
> > endif # TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE
> >
> > # simple helper to make the code a bit easier to read
> > diff --git a/mm/Makefile b/mm/Makefile
> > index 21abb3353550..f180332f2ad0 100644
> > --- a/mm/Makefile
> > +++ b/mm/Makefile
> > @@ -99,6 +99,7 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_MIGRATION) += migrate.o
> > obj-$(CONFIG_NUMA) += memory-tiers.o
> > obj-$(CONFIG_DEVICE_MIGRATION) += migrate_device.o
> > obj-$(CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE) += huge_memory.o khugepaged.o
> > +obj-$(CONFIG_BPF_GET_THP_ORDER) += huge_memory_bpf.o
> > obj-$(CONFIG_PAGE_COUNTER) += page_counter.o
> > obj-$(CONFIG_MEMCG_V1) += memcontrol-v1.o
> > obj-$(CONFIG_MEMCG) += memcontrol.o vmpressure.o
> > diff --git a/mm/huge_memory_bpf.c b/mm/huge_memory_bpf.c
> > new file mode 100644
> > index 000000000000..525ee22ab598
> > --- /dev/null
> > +++ b/mm/huge_memory_bpf.c
> > @@ -0,0 +1,243 @@
> > +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> > +/*
> > + * BPF-based THP policy management
> > + *
> > + * Author: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
> > + */
> > +
> > +#include <linux/bpf.h>
> > +#include <linux/btf.h>
> > +#include <linux/huge_mm.h>
> > +#include <linux/khugepaged.h>
> > +
> > +enum bpf_thp_vma_type {
> > + BPF_THP_VM_NONE = 0,
> > + BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE, /* VM_HUGEPAGE */
> > + BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE, /* VM_NOHUGEPAGE */
> > +};
>
> I'm really not so sure how useful this is - can't a user just ascertain this
> from the VMA flags themselves?
I assume you are referring to checking flags from vma->vm_flags.
There is an exception where we cannot use vma->vm_flags: in
hugepage_madvise(), which calls khugepaged_enter_vma(vma, *vm_flags).
At this point, the VM_HUGEPAGE flag has not been set in vma->vm_flags
yet. Therefore, we must pass the separate *vm_flags variable.
Perhaps we can simplify the logic with the following change?
diff --git a/mm/madvise.c b/mm/madvise.c
index 35ed4ab0d7c5..5755de80a4d7 100644
--- a/mm/madvise.c
+++ b/mm/madvise.c
@@ -1425,6 +1425,8 @@ static int madvise_vma_behavior(struct
madvise_behavior *madv_behavior)
VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(madv_behavior->lock_mode != MADVISE_MMAP_WRITE_LOCK);
error = madvise_update_vma(new_flags, madv_behavior);
+ if (new_flags & VM_HUGEPAGE)
+ khugepaged_enter_vma(vma);
out:
/*
* madvise() returns EAGAIN if kernel resources, such as
>
> Let's keep the interface as minimal as possible.
>
> > +
> > +/**
> > + * @thp_order_fn_t: Get the suggested THP orders from a BPF program for allocation
>
> orders -> order?
ack
>
> > + * @vma: vm_area_struct associated with the THP allocation
> > + * @vma_type: The VMA type, such as BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE if VM_HUGEPAGE is set
> > + * BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE if VM_NOHUGEPAGE is set, or BPF_THP_VM_NONE if
> > + * neither is set.
>
> Obv as above let's drop this probably :)
>
> > + * @tva_type: TVA type for current @vma
> > + * @orders: Bitmask of requested THP orders for this allocation
>
> Shouldn't requested = available?
ack
>
> > + * - PMD-mapped allocation if PMD_ORDER is set
> > + * - mTHP allocation otherwise
>
> Not sure these 2 points are super useful.
will remove it.
>
> > + *
> > + * Return: The suggested THP order from the BPF program for allocation. It will
> > + * not exceed the highest requested order in @orders. Return -1 to
> > + * indicate that the original requested @orders should remain unchanged.
> > + */
> > +typedef int thp_order_fn_t(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> > + enum bpf_thp_vma_type vma_type,
> > + enum tva_type tva_type,
> > + unsigned long orders);
> > +
> > +struct bpf_thp_ops {
> > + thp_order_fn_t __rcu *thp_get_order;
> > +};
> > +
> > +static struct bpf_thp_ops bpf_thp;
> > +static DEFINE_SPINLOCK(thp_ops_lock);
> > +
> > +/*
> > + * Returns the original @orders if no BPF program is attached or if the
> > + * suggested order is invalid.
> > + */
> > +unsigned long bpf_hook_thp_get_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> > + vm_flags_t vma_flags,
> > + enum tva_type tva_type,
> > + unsigned long orders)
> > +{
> > + thp_order_fn_t *bpf_hook_thp_get_order;
> > + unsigned long thp_orders = orders;
> > + enum bpf_thp_vma_type vma_type;
> > + int thp_order;
> > +
> > + /* No BPF program is attached */
> > + if (!test_bit(TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_BPF_ATTACHED,
> > + &transparent_hugepage_flags))
> > + return orders;
> > +
> > + if (vma_flags & VM_HUGEPAGE)
> > + vma_type = BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE;
> > + else if (vma_flags & VM_NOHUGEPAGE)
> > + vma_type = BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE;
> > + else
> > + vma_type = BPF_THP_VM_NONE;
>
> As per above, not sure this is all that useful.
>
> > +
> > + rcu_read_lock();
> > + bpf_hook_thp_get_order = rcu_dereference(bpf_thp.thp_get_order);
> > + if (!bpf_hook_thp_get_order)
> > + goto out;
> > +
> > + thp_order = bpf_hook_thp_get_order(vma, vma_type, tva_type, orders);
> > + if (thp_order < 0)
> > + goto out;
> > + /*
> > + * The maximum requested order is determined by the callsite. E.g.:
> > + * - PMD-mapped THP uses PMD_ORDER
> > + * - mTHP uses (PMD_ORDER - 1)
>
> I don't think this is quite right, highest_order() figures out the highest set
> bit, so mTHP can be PMD_ORDER - 1 or less (in theory ofc).
>
> I think we can just replace this with something simpler like - 'depending on
> where the BPF hook is invoked, we check for either PMD order or mTHP orders
> (less than PMD order)' or something.
ack
>
> > + *
> > + * We must respect this upper bound to avoid undefined behavior. So the
> > + * highest suggested order can't exceed the highest requested order.
> > + */
>
> I think this sentence is also unnecessary.
will remove it.
--
Regards
Yafang
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2025-09-10 2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 01/10] mm: thp: remove disabled task from khugepaged_mm_slot Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 5:11 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 6:17 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 7:21 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 17:27 ` kernel test robot
2025-09-11 2:12 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 2:28 ` Zi Yan
2025-09-11 2:35 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 2:38 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 13:47 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14 2:48 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 13:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14 2:47 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 02/10] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 12:42 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 12:54 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 13:56 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 2:48 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 3:04 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 14:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:42 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 14:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12 7:58 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12 8:28 ` Yafang Shao [this message]
2025-09-12 11:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14 2:22 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 14:51 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12 8:03 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-25 10:05 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-25 11:38 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 03/10] mm: thp: decouple THP allocation between swap and page fault paths Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 14:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12 7:20 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-10 2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 04/10] mm: thp: enable THP allocation exclusively through khugepaged Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 15:53 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-12 6:21 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 15:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12 6:17 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 13:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14 2:19 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 05/10] bpf: mark mm->owner as __safe_rcu_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 16:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-10 2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 06/10] bpf: mark vma->vm_mm as __safe_trusted_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 17:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 17:30 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-11 17:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12 3:56 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 3:50 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 07/10] selftests/bpf: add a simple BPF based THP policy Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 20:44 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-11 2:31 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 08/10] selftests/bpf: add test case to update " Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 09/10] selftests/bpf: add test cases for invalid thp_adjust usage Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 10/10] Documentation: add BPF-based THP policy management Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 11:11 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 0/9] mm, bpf: BPF based THP order selection Lance Yang
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