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From: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	 baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	npache@redhat.com,  ryan.roberts@arm.com, dev.jain@arm.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org,  usamaarif642@gmail.com,
	gutierrez.asier@huawei-partners.com,  willy@infradead.org,
	ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net, andrii@kernel.org,
	 ameryhung@gmail.com, rientjes@google.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	21cnbao@gmail.com,  shakeel.butt@linux.dev, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 mm-new 02/10] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 16:28:46 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALOAHbB_jrsgEMH=HNozW+rASRLwiy9+QtspmSgM7jtZJMthXg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d676324-adc6-4c4c-9d2b-a5e9725bcd6c@lucifer.local>

On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 10:34 PM Lorenzo Stoakes
<lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:44:39AM +0800, Yafang Shao wrote:
> > This patch introduces a new BPF struct_ops called bpf_thp_ops for dynamic
> > THP tuning. It includes a hook bpf_hook_thp_get_order(), allowing BPF
> > programs to influence THP order selection based on factors such as:
> > - Workload identity
> >   For example, workloads running in specific containers or cgroups.
> > - Allocation context
> >   Whether the allocation occurs during a page fault, khugepaged, swap or
> >   other paths.
> > - VMA's memory advice settings
> >   MADV_HUGEPAGE or MADV_NOHUGEPAGE
> > - Memory pressure
> >   PSI system data or associated cgroup PSI metrics
> >
> > The kernel API of this new BPF hook is as follows,
> >
> > /**
> >  * @thp_order_fn_t: Get the suggested THP orders from a BPF program for allocation
> >  * @vma: vm_area_struct associated with the THP allocation
> >  * @vma_type: The VMA type, such as BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE if VM_HUGEPAGE is set
> >  *            BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE if VM_NOHUGEPAGE is set, or BPF_THP_VM_NONE if
> >  *            neither is set.
> >  * @tva_type: TVA type for current @vma
> >  * @orders: Bitmask of requested THP orders for this allocation
> >  *          - PMD-mapped allocation if PMD_ORDER is set
> >  *          - mTHP allocation otherwise
> >  *
> >  * Return: The suggested THP order from the BPF program for allocation. It will
> >  *         not exceed the highest requested order in @orders. Return -1 to
> >  *         indicate that the original requested @orders should remain unchanged.
> >  */
> > typedef int thp_order_fn_t(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> >                          enum bpf_thp_vma_type vma_type,
> >                          enum tva_type tva_type,
> >                          unsigned long orders);
> >
> > Only a single BPF program can be attached at any given time, though it can
> > be dynamically updated to adjust the policy. The implementation supports
> > anonymous THP, shmem THP, and mTHP, with future extensions planned for
> > file-backed THP.
> >
> > This functionality is only active when system-wide THP is configured to
> > madvise or always mode. It remains disabled in never mode. Additionally,
> > if THP is explicitly disabled for a specific task via prctl(), this BPF
> > functionality will also be unavailable for that task.
> >
> > This feature requires CONFIG_BPF_GET_THP_ORDER (marked EXPERIMENTAL) to be
> > enabled. Note that this capability is currently unstable and may undergo
> > significant changes—including potential removal—in future kernel versions.
>
> Thanks for highlighting.
>
> >
> > Suggested-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> > Suggested-by: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
> > ---
> >  MAINTAINERS             |   1 +
> >  include/linux/huge_mm.h |  26 ++++-
> >  mm/Kconfig              |  12 ++
> >  mm/Makefile             |   1 +
> >  mm/huge_memory_bpf.c    | 243 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  5 files changed, 280 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> >  create mode 100644 mm/huge_memory_bpf.c
> >
> > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> > index 8fef05bc2224..d055a3c95300 100644
> > --- a/MAINTAINERS
> > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> > @@ -16252,6 +16252,7 @@ F:    include/linux/huge_mm.h
> >  F:   include/linux/khugepaged.h
> >  F:   include/trace/events/huge_memory.h
> >  F:   mm/huge_memory.c
> > +F:   mm/huge_memory_bpf.c
>
> THanks!
>
> >  F:   mm/khugepaged.c
> >  F:   mm/mm_slot.h
> >  F:   tools/testing/selftests/mm/khugepaged.c
> > diff --git a/include/linux/huge_mm.h b/include/linux/huge_mm.h
> > index 23f124493c47..f72a5fd04e4f 100644
> > --- a/include/linux/huge_mm.h
> > +++ b/include/linux/huge_mm.h
> > @@ -56,6 +56,7 @@ enum transparent_hugepage_flag {
> >       TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_DEFRAG_REQ_MADV_FLAG,
> >       TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_DEFRAG_KHUGEPAGED_FLAG,
> >       TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_USE_ZERO_PAGE_FLAG,
> > +     TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_BPF_ATTACHED,      /* BPF prog is attached */
> >  };
> >
> >  struct kobject;
> > @@ -270,6 +271,19 @@ unsigned long __thp_vma_allowable_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> >                                        enum tva_type type,
> >                                        unsigned long orders);
> >
> > +#ifdef CONFIG_BPF_GET_THP_ORDER
> > +unsigned long
> > +bpf_hook_thp_get_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma, vm_flags_t vma_flags,
> > +                     enum tva_type type, unsigned long orders);
>
> Thanks for renaming!
>
> > +#else
> > +static inline unsigned long
> > +bpf_hook_thp_get_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma, vm_flags_t vma_flags,
> > +                     enum tva_type tva_flags, unsigned long orders)
> > +{
> > +     return orders;
> > +}
> > +#endif
> > +
> >  /**
> >   * thp_vma_allowable_orders - determine hugepage orders that are allowed for vma
> >   * @vma:  the vm area to check
> > @@ -291,6 +305,12 @@ unsigned long thp_vma_allowable_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> >                                      enum tva_type type,
> >                                      unsigned long orders)
> >  {
> > +     unsigned long bpf_orders;
> > +
> > +     bpf_orders = bpf_hook_thp_get_orders(vma, vm_flags, type, orders);
> > +     if (!bpf_orders)
> > +             return 0;
>
> I think it'd be easier to just do:
>
>         /* The BPF-specified order overrides which order is selected. */
>         orders &= bpf_hook_thp_get_orders(vma, vm_flags, type, orders);
>         if (!orders)
>                 return 0;

good suggestion!

>
> > +
> >       /*
> >        * Optimization to check if required orders are enabled early. Only
> >        * forced collapse ignores sysfs configs.
> > @@ -304,12 +324,12 @@ unsigned long thp_vma_allowable_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> >                   ((vm_flags & VM_HUGEPAGE) && hugepage_global_enabled()))
> >                       mask |= READ_ONCE(huge_anon_orders_inherit);
> >
> > -             orders &= mask;
> > -             if (!orders)
> > +             bpf_orders &= mask;
> > +             if (!bpf_orders)
> >                       return 0
>
> With my suggeted change this would remain the same.
>
> >       }
> >
> > -     return __thp_vma_allowable_orders(vma, vm_flags, type, orders);
> > +     return __thp_vma_allowable_orders(vma, vm_flags, type, bpf_orders);
>
> With my suggeted change this would remain the same.
>
> >  }
> >
> >  struct thpsize {
> > diff --git a/mm/Kconfig b/mm/Kconfig
> > index d1ed839ca710..4d89d2158f10 100644
> > --- a/mm/Kconfig
> > +++ b/mm/Kconfig
> > @@ -896,6 +896,18 @@ config NO_PAGE_MAPCOUNT
> >
> >         EXPERIMENTAL because the impact of some changes is still unclear.
> >
> > +config BPF_GET_THP_ORDER
>
> Yeah, I think we maybe need to sledgehammer this as already Lance was confused
> as to the permenancy of this, and I feel that users might be too, even with the
> '(EXPERIMENTAL)' bit.
>
> So maybe
>
> config BPF_GET_THP_ORDER_EXPERIMENTAL
>
> Just to hammer it home?

ack

>
> > +     bool "BPF-based THP order selection (EXPERIMENTAL)"
> > +     depends on TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE && BPF_SYSCALL
> > +
> > +     help
> > +       Enable dynamic THP order selection using BPF programs. This
> > +       experimental feature allows custom BPF logic to determine optimal
> > +       transparent hugepage allocation sizes at runtime.
> > +
> > +       WARNING: This feature is unstable and may change in future kernel
> > +       versions.
> > +
> >  endif # TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE
> >
> >  # simple helper to make the code a bit easier to read
> > diff --git a/mm/Makefile b/mm/Makefile
> > index 21abb3353550..f180332f2ad0 100644
> > --- a/mm/Makefile
> > +++ b/mm/Makefile
> > @@ -99,6 +99,7 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_MIGRATION) += migrate.o
> >  obj-$(CONFIG_NUMA) += memory-tiers.o
> >  obj-$(CONFIG_DEVICE_MIGRATION) += migrate_device.o
> >  obj-$(CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE) += huge_memory.o khugepaged.o
> > +obj-$(CONFIG_BPF_GET_THP_ORDER) += huge_memory_bpf.o
> >  obj-$(CONFIG_PAGE_COUNTER) += page_counter.o
> >  obj-$(CONFIG_MEMCG_V1) += memcontrol-v1.o
> >  obj-$(CONFIG_MEMCG) += memcontrol.o vmpressure.o
> > diff --git a/mm/huge_memory_bpf.c b/mm/huge_memory_bpf.c
> > new file mode 100644
> > index 000000000000..525ee22ab598
> > --- /dev/null
> > +++ b/mm/huge_memory_bpf.c
> > @@ -0,0 +1,243 @@
> > +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> > +/*
> > + * BPF-based THP policy management
> > + *
> > + * Author: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
> > + */
> > +
> > +#include <linux/bpf.h>
> > +#include <linux/btf.h>
> > +#include <linux/huge_mm.h>
> > +#include <linux/khugepaged.h>
> > +
> > +enum bpf_thp_vma_type {
> > +     BPF_THP_VM_NONE = 0,
> > +     BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE,    /* VM_HUGEPAGE */
> > +     BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE,  /* VM_NOHUGEPAGE */
> > +};
>
> I'm really not so sure how useful this is - can't a user just ascertain this
> from the VMA flags themselves?

I assume you are referring to checking flags from vma->vm_flags.
There is an exception where we cannot use vma->vm_flags: in
hugepage_madvise(), which calls khugepaged_enter_vma(vma, *vm_flags).

At this point, the VM_HUGEPAGE flag has not been set in vma->vm_flags
yet. Therefore, we must pass the separate *vm_flags variable.
Perhaps we can simplify the logic with the following change?

diff --git a/mm/madvise.c b/mm/madvise.c
index 35ed4ab0d7c5..5755de80a4d7 100644
--- a/mm/madvise.c
+++ b/mm/madvise.c
@@ -1425,6 +1425,8 @@ static int madvise_vma_behavior(struct
madvise_behavior *madv_behavior)
        VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(madv_behavior->lock_mode != MADVISE_MMAP_WRITE_LOCK);

        error = madvise_update_vma(new_flags, madv_behavior);
+       if (new_flags & VM_HUGEPAGE)
+               khugepaged_enter_vma(vma);
 out:
        /*
         * madvise() returns EAGAIN if kernel resources, such as

>
> Let's keep the interface as minimal as possible.
>
> > +
> > +/**
> > + * @thp_order_fn_t: Get the suggested THP orders from a BPF program for allocation
>
> orders -> order?

ack

>
> > + * @vma: vm_area_struct associated with the THP allocation
> > + * @vma_type: The VMA type, such as BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE if VM_HUGEPAGE is set
> > + *            BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE if VM_NOHUGEPAGE is set, or BPF_THP_VM_NONE if
> > + *            neither is set.
>
> Obv as above let's drop this probably :)
>
> > + * @tva_type: TVA type for current @vma
> > + * @orders: Bitmask of requested THP orders for this allocation
>
> Shouldn't requested = available?

ack

>
> > + *          - PMD-mapped allocation if PMD_ORDER is set
> > + *          - mTHP allocation otherwise
>
> Not sure these 2 points are super useful.

will remove it.

>
> > + *
> > + * Return: The suggested THP order from the BPF program for allocation. It will
> > + *         not exceed the highest requested order in @orders. Return -1 to
> > + *         indicate that the original requested @orders should remain unchanged.
> > + */
> > +typedef int thp_order_fn_t(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> > +                        enum bpf_thp_vma_type vma_type,
> > +                        enum tva_type tva_type,
> > +                        unsigned long orders);
> > +
> > +struct bpf_thp_ops {
> > +     thp_order_fn_t __rcu *thp_get_order;
> > +};
> > +
> > +static struct bpf_thp_ops bpf_thp;
> > +static DEFINE_SPINLOCK(thp_ops_lock);
> > +
> > +/*
> > + * Returns the original @orders if no BPF program is attached or if the
> > + * suggested order is invalid.
> > + */
> > +unsigned long bpf_hook_thp_get_orders(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> > +                                   vm_flags_t vma_flags,
> > +                                   enum tva_type tva_type,
> > +                                   unsigned long orders)
> > +{
> > +     thp_order_fn_t *bpf_hook_thp_get_order;
> > +     unsigned long thp_orders = orders;
> > +     enum bpf_thp_vma_type vma_type;
> > +     int thp_order;
> > +
> > +     /* No BPF program is attached */
> > +     if (!test_bit(TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_BPF_ATTACHED,
> > +                   &transparent_hugepage_flags))
> > +             return orders;
> > +
> > +     if (vma_flags & VM_HUGEPAGE)
> > +             vma_type = BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE;
> > +     else if (vma_flags & VM_NOHUGEPAGE)
> > +             vma_type = BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE;
> > +     else
> > +             vma_type = BPF_THP_VM_NONE;
>
> As per above, not sure this is all that useful.
>
> > +
> > +     rcu_read_lock();
> > +     bpf_hook_thp_get_order = rcu_dereference(bpf_thp.thp_get_order);
> > +     if (!bpf_hook_thp_get_order)
> > +             goto out;
> > +
> > +     thp_order = bpf_hook_thp_get_order(vma, vma_type, tva_type, orders);
> > +     if (thp_order < 0)
> > +             goto out;
> > +     /*
> > +      * The maximum requested order is determined by the callsite. E.g.:
> > +      * - PMD-mapped THP uses PMD_ORDER
> > +      * - mTHP uses (PMD_ORDER - 1)
>
> I don't think this is quite right, highest_order() figures out the highest set
> bit, so mTHP can be PMD_ORDER - 1 or less (in theory ofc).
>
> I think we can just replace this with something simpler like - 'depending on
> where the BPF hook is invoked, we check for either PMD order or mTHP orders
> (less than PMD order)' or something.

ack

>
> > +      *
> > +      * We must respect this upper bound to avoid undefined behavior. So the
> > +      * highest suggested order can't exceed the highest requested order.
> > +      */
>
> I think this sentence is also unnecessary.

will remove it.

-- 
Regards
Yafang


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-12  8:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-10  2:44 [PATCH v7 mm-new 0/9] mm, bpf: " Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 01/10] mm: thp: remove disabled task from khugepaged_mm_slot Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  5:11   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10  6:17     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  7:21   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 17:27   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-11  2:12     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11  2:28       ` Zi Yan
2025-09-11  2:35         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11  2:38         ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 13:47         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:48           ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 13:43   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:47     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 02/10] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 12:42   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 12:54     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 13:56       ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11  2:48         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11  3:04           ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 14:45         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:42       ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 14:58         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  7:58           ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:04             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:33   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  8:28     ` Yafang Shao [this message]
2025-09-12 11:53       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:22         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 14:51   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  8:03     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:00       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-25 10:05   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-25 11:38     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 03/10] mm: thp: decouple THP allocation between swap and page fault paths Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 14:55   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  7:20     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 04/10] mm: thp: enable THP allocation exclusively through khugepaged Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 15:53   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-12  6:21     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 15:58   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  6:17     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 13:48       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:19         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 05/10] bpf: mark mm->owner as __safe_rcu_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 16:04   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 06/10] bpf: mark vma->vm_mm as __safe_trusted_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 17:08   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 17:30   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-11 17:44     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  3:56       ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12  3:50     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 07/10] selftests/bpf: add a simple BPF based THP policy Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 20:44   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-11  2:31     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 08/10] selftests/bpf: add test case to update " Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 09/10] selftests/bpf: add test cases for invalid thp_adjust usage Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 10/10] Documentation: add BPF-based THP policy management Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 11:11 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 0/9] mm, bpf: BPF based THP order selection Lance Yang

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