From: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"open list:CONTROL GROUP (CGROUP)" <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2025 14:33:29 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALOAHbBW0jM=WZG7BM3Lh=xHBV7M585j85xMzpWAtWdrkRa+nQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQJPcqq+w0qDjMV+fx-gYfp6kjuc7m8VD-7saCZ7-bvaBw@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 8:16 AM Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 5:03 PM Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, if there are other mechanisms to enforce boundaries, it's not a problem,
> > but I can almost guarantee as the framework grows, there will be needs for
> > kfuncs to identify and verify the callers and handlers communicating with
> > each other along the hierarchy requiring recursive calls.
>
> tbh I think it's a combination of sched_ext_ops and bpf infra problem.
> All of the scx ops are missing "this" pointer which would have
> been there if it was a C++ class.
> And "this" should be pointing to an instance of class.
> If sched-ext progs are attached to different cgroups, then
> every attachment would have been a different instance and
> different "this".
> Then all kfuncs would effectively be declared as helper
> methods within a class. In this case within "struct sched_ext_ops"
> as functions that ops callback can call but they will
> also have implicit "this" that points back to a particular instance.
>
> Special aux__prog and prog_assoc are not exactly pretty
> workarounds for lack of "this".
>
I also share the concern that supporting the attachment of a single
struct-ops to multiple cgroups appears over-engineered for the current
needs. Given that we do not anticipate a large number of cgroup
attachments in real-world use, implementing such a generalized
mechanism now seems premature. We can always introduce this
functionality later in a backward-compatible manner if concrete use
cases emerge.
That said, if we still decide to move forward with this approach, I
would suggest merging this patch as a standalone change. Doing so
would allow my BPF-THP series to build upon the same mechanism.
--
Regards
Yafang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-30 6:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-27 23:17 [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] bpf: move bpf_struct_ops_link into bpf.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 15:57 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 18:01 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 20:26 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 17:22 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 18:03 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 18:19 ` Amery Hung
2025-10-30 19:06 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 21:34 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:42 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 23:14 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 0:05 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:19 ` bpf_st_ops and cgroups. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 23:24 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 3:03 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 6:14 ` Song Liu
2025-10-31 11:35 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 17:37 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 18:14 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 20:25 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 20:36 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:18 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:27 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:37 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:45 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 4:32 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 16:13 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 17:56 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:53 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 22:43 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 22:53 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 23:53 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 0:03 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 0:16 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 6:33 ` Yafang Shao [this message]
2025-10-29 21:04 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 0:43 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] mm: define mem_cgroup_get_from_ino() outside of CONFIG_SHRINKER_DEBUG Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 8:32 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] mm: declare memcg_page_state_output() in memcontrol.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 8:34 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] mm: introduce BPF struct ops for OOM handling Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:57 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:45 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:42 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 22:07 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 22:56 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 21:33 ` Song Liu
2025-10-28 23:24 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 0:20 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 5:57 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-30 14:26 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:02 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:36 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 19:00 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 1:45 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 8:18 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 18:14 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 19:22 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:05 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:09 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:10 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:12 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:03 ` Chris Mason
2025-10-28 18:32 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:42 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:12 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to access memcg statistics and events Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:16 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:08 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 9:31 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 16:48 ` Lance Yang
2025-11-02 20:53 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 18:18 ` Michal Hocko
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