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From: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
	 linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 "open list:CONTROL GROUP (CGROUP)" <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2025 14:33:29 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALOAHbBW0jM=WZG7BM3Lh=xHBV7M585j85xMzpWAtWdrkRa+nQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQJPcqq+w0qDjMV+fx-gYfp6kjuc7m8VD-7saCZ7-bvaBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 8:16 AM Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 5:03 PM Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, if there are other mechanisms to enforce boundaries, it's not a problem,
> > but I can almost guarantee as the framework grows, there will be needs for
> > kfuncs to identify and verify the callers and handlers communicating with
> > each other along the hierarchy requiring recursive calls.
>
> tbh I think it's a combination of sched_ext_ops and bpf infra problem.
> All of the scx ops are missing "this" pointer which would have
> been there if it was a C++ class.
> And "this" should be pointing to an instance of class.
> If sched-ext progs are attached to different cgroups, then
> every attachment would have been a different instance and
> different "this".
> Then all kfuncs would effectively be declared as helper
> methods within a class. In this case within "struct sched_ext_ops"
> as functions that ops callback can call but they will
> also have implicit "this" that points back to a particular instance.
>
> Special aux__prog and prog_assoc are not exactly pretty
> workarounds for lack of "this".
>

I also share the concern that supporting the attachment of a single
struct-ops to multiple cgroups appears over-engineered for the current
needs. Given that we do not anticipate a large number of cgroup
attachments in real-world use, implementing such a generalized
mechanism now seems premature. We can always introduce this
functionality later in a backward-compatible manner if concrete use
cases emerge.

That said, if we still decide to move forward with this approach, I
would suggest merging this patch as a standalone change. Doing so
would allow my BPF-THP series to build upon the same mechanism.

-- 
Regards
Yafang


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-30  6:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-27 23:17 [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] bpf: move bpf_struct_ops_link into bpf.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 15:57     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 18:01   ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 20:26     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 17:22     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 18:03       ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 18:19         ` Amery Hung
2025-10-30 19:06           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 21:34             ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:42               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 23:14                 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  0:05                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:19             ` bpf_st_ops and cgroups. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 23:24               ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  3:03                 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31  6:14                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-31 11:35                   ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 17:37                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 18:14   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 20:25     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 20:36       ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:18         ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:27           ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:37             ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:45               ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30  4:32                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 16:13                   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 17:56                     ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:53           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 22:43             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 22:53               ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 23:53                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30  0:03                   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30  0:16                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30  6:33                       ` Yafang Shao [this message]
2025-10-29 21:04   ` Song Liu
2025-10-30  0:43   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] mm: define mem_cgroup_get_from_ino() outside of CONFIG_SHRINKER_DEBUG Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  8:32   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] mm: declare memcg_page_state_output() in memcontrol.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  8:34   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] mm: introduce BPF struct ops for OOM handling Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:57   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:45   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:42     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 22:07       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 22:56         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 21:33   ` Song Liu
2025-10-28 23:24     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30  0:20   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30  5:57   ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-30 14:26     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:02   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:36     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 19:00       ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04  1:45         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04  8:18           ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 18:14             ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 19:22               ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:05   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:09     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:10     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:12       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:03         ` Chris Mason
2025-10-28 18:32           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:42   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:12     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to access memcg statistics and events Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:16     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:08   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-31  9:31 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 16:48   ` Lance Yang
2025-11-02 20:53   ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 18:18     ` Michal Hocko

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