From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Anton Blanchard <anton@ozlabs.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/8] lazy tlb: shoot lazies, a non-refcounting lazy tlb option
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 21:05:30 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrXi7YEk2KVSyXVuhUF_AYTqENx+XzYJqEhAYs=8oiSouA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1606879302.tdngvs3yq4.astroid@bobo.none>
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Excerpts from Andy Lutomirski's message of December 1, 2020 4:31 am:
>> other arch folk: there's some background here:
>>
>> https://lkml.kernel.org/r/CALCETrVXUbe8LfNn-Qs+DzrOQaiw+sFUg1J047yByV31SaTOZw@mail.gmail.com
>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:16 PM Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:54 PM Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 8:02 AM Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On big systems, the mm refcount can become highly contented when doing
>>>>> a lot of context switching with threaded applications (particularly
>>>>> switching between the idle thread and an application thread).
>>>>>
>>>>> Abandoning lazy tlb slows switching down quite a bit in the important
>>>>> user->idle->user cases, so so instead implement a non-refcounted scheme
>>>>> that causes __mmdrop() to IPI all CPUs in the mm_cpumask and shoot down
>>>>> any remaining lazy ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shootdown IPIs are some concern, but they have not been observed to be
>>>>> a big problem with this scheme (the powerpc implementation generated
>>>>> 314 additional interrupts on a 144 CPU system during a kernel compile).
>>>>> There are a number of strategies that could be employed to reduce IPIs
>>>>> if they turn out to be a problem for some workload.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still wondering whether we can do even better.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hold on a sec.. __mmput() unmaps VMAs, frees pagetables, and flushes
>>> the TLB. On x86, this will shoot down all lazies as long as even a
>>> single pagetable was freed. (Or at least it will if we don't have a
>>> serious bug, but the code seems okay. We'll hit pmd_free_tlb, which
>>> sets tlb->freed_tables, which will trigger the IPI.) So, on
>>> architectures like x86, the shootdown approach should be free. The
>>> only way it ought to have any excess IPIs is if we have CPUs in
>>> mm_cpumask() that don't need IPI to free pagetables, which could
>>> happen on paravirt.
>>
>> Indeed, on x86, we do this:
>>
>> [ 11.558844] flush_tlb_mm_range.cold+0x18/0x1d
>> [ 11.559905] tlb_finish_mmu+0x10e/0x1a0
>> [ 11.561068] exit_mmap+0xc8/0x1a0
>> [ 11.561932] mmput+0x29/0xd0
>> [ 11.562688] do_exit+0x316/0xa90
>> [ 11.563588] do_group_exit+0x34/0xb0
>> [ 11.564476] __x64_sys_exit_group+0xf/0x10
>> [ 11.565512] do_syscall_64+0x34/0x50
>>
>> and we have info->freed_tables set.
>>
>> What are the architectures that have large systems like?
>>
>> x86: we already zap lazies, so it should cost basically nothing to do
>
> This is not zapping lazies, this is freeing the user page tables.
>
> "lazy mm" is where a switch to a kernel thread takes on the
> previous mm for its kernel mapping rather than switch to init_mm.
The intent of the code is to flush the TLB after freeing user pages
tables, but, on bare metal, lazies get zapped as a side effect.
Anyway, I'm going to send out a mockup of an alternative approach shortly.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-12-03 5:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-11-28 16:01 [PATCH 0/8] shoot lazy tlbs Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] lazy tlb: introduce exit_lazy_tlb Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-29 0:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-02 2:49 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 2/8] x86: use exit_lazy_tlb rather than membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 17:55 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-02 2:49 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-03 5:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-05 8:00 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-05 16:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-05 23:14 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-06 0:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-06 3:59 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-11 0:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-14 4:07 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-14 5:53 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-30 14:57 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 3/8] x86: remove ARCH_HAS_SYNC_CORE_BEFORE_USERMODE Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 4/8] lazy tlb: introduce lazy mm refcount helper functions Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 5/8] lazy tlb: allow lazy tlb mm switching to be configurable Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-29 0:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-02 2:49 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 6/8] lazy tlb: shoot lazies, a non-refcounting lazy tlb option Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-29 3:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-29 20:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-30 9:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-30 18:31 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-01 21:27 ` Will Deacon
2020-12-01 21:50 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-01 23:04 ` Will Deacon
2020-12-02 3:47 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-03 5:05 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2020-12-03 17:03 ` Alexander Gordeev
2020-12-03 17:14 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-03 18:33 ` Alexander Gordeev
2020-11-30 9:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-30 9:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-30 9:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-02 3:09 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-02 11:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-02 12:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-02 14:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-02 14:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-02 16:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 7/8] powerpc: use lazy mm refcount helper functions Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 8/8] powerpc/64s: enable MMU_LAZY_TLB_SHOOTDOWN Nicholas Piggin
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