From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: "Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)" <Elliott@hp.com>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
"Kani, Toshimitsu" <toshi.kani@hp.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 12/12] drivers/block/pmem: Map NVDIMM with ioremap_wt()
Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 14:46:19 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrXhNsk9yX=gerxqHCR6+CLdCGrjt9pDk98yeF0L7yyPvg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <94D0CD8314A33A4D9D801C0FE68B40295A92F392@G9W0745.americas.hpqcorp.net>
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
<Elliott@hp.com> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy Lutomirski [mailto:luto@amacapital.net]
>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:35 PM
> ...
>> Whoa, there! Why would we use non-temporal stores to WB memory to
>> access persistent memory? I can see two reasons not to:
>
> Data written to a block storage device (here, the NVDIMM) is unlikely
> to be read or written again any time soon. It's not like the code
> and data that a program has in memory, where there might be a loop
> accessing the location every CPU clock; it's storage I/O to
> historically very slow (relative to the CPU clock speed) devices.
> The source buffer for that data might be frequently accessed,
> but not the NVDIMM storage itself.
>
> Non-temporal stores avoid wasting cache space on these "one-time"
> accesses. The same applies for reads and non-temporal loads.
> Keep the CPU data cache lines free for the application.
>
> DAX and mmap() do change that; the application is now free to
> store frequently accessed data structures directly in persistent
> memory. But, that's not available if btt is used, and
> application loads and stores won't go through the memcpy()
> calls inside pmem anyway. The non-temporal instructions are
> cache coherent, so data integrity won't get confused by them
> if I/O going through pmem's block storage APIs happens
> to overlap with the application's mmap() regions.
>
You answered the wrong question. :) I understand the point of the
non-temporal stores -- I don't understand the point of using
non-temporal stores to *WB memory*. I think we should be okay with
having the kernel mapping use WT instead.
--Andy
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-05-27 15:18 [PATCH v10 0/12] Support Write-Through mapping on x86 Toshi Kani
2015-05-27 15:18 ` [PATCH v10 1/12] x86, mm, pat: Set WT to PA7 slot of PAT MSR Toshi Kani
2015-05-27 15:18 ` [PATCH v10 2/12] x86, mm, pat: Change reserve_memtype() for WT Toshi Kani
2015-05-27 15:18 ` [PATCH v10 3/12] x86, asm: Change is_new_memtype_allowed() " Toshi Kani
2015-05-27 15:18 ` [PATCH v10 4/12] x86, mm, asm-gen: Add ioremap_wt() " Toshi Kani
2015-05-27 15:18 ` [PATCH v10 5/12] arch/*/asm/io.h: Add ioremap_wt() to all architectures Toshi Kani
2015-05-27 15:18 ` [PATCH v10 6/12] video/fbdev, asm/io.h: Remove ioremap_writethrough() Toshi Kani
2015-05-27 15:18 ` [PATCH v10 7/12] x86, mm, pat: Add pgprot_writethrough() for WT Toshi Kani
2015-05-27 15:19 ` [PATCH v10 8/12] x86, mm, asm: Add WT support to set_page_memtype() Toshi Kani
2015-05-27 15:19 ` [PATCH v10 9/12] x86, mm: Add set_memory_wt() for WT Toshi Kani
2015-05-27 15:19 ` [PATCH v10 10/12] x86, mm, pat: Cleanup init flags in pat_init() Toshi Kani
2015-05-29 8:59 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-27 15:19 ` [PATCH v10 11/12] x86, mm, pat: Refactor !pat_enabled handling Toshi Kani
2015-05-29 8:58 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-29 14:27 ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-29 15:13 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-29 15:17 ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-27 15:19 ` [PATCH v10 12/12] drivers/block/pmem: Map NVDIMM with ioremap_wt() Toshi Kani
2015-05-29 9:11 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-29 14:43 ` Dan Williams
2015-05-29 15:03 ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-29 18:19 ` Dan Williams
2015-05-29 18:32 ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-29 19:34 ` Dan Williams
2015-05-29 20:10 ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-29 18:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-29 19:32 ` Dan Williams
2015-05-29 21:29 ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-05-29 21:46 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2015-05-29 22:24 ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-05-29 22:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-06-01 8:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-01 17:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
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