From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Jason Evans <je@fb.com>, Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
yalin wang <yalin.wang2010@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/17] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:49:58 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWA6aZC_3LPM3niN+2HFjGEm_65m9hiEdpBtEZMn0JhwQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447302793-5376-2-git-send-email-minchan@kernel.org>
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> Linux doesn't have an ability to free pages lazy while other OS already
> have been supported that named by madvise(MADV_FREE).
>
> The gain is clear that kernel can discard freed pages rather than swapping
> out or OOM if memory pressure happens.
>
> When madvise syscall is called, VM clears dirty bit of ptes of the range.
> If memory pressure happens, VM checks dirty bit of page table and if it
> found still "clean", it means it's a "lazyfree pages" so VM could discard
> the page instead of swapping out. Once there was store operation for the
> page before VM peek a page to reclaim, dirty bit is set so VM can swap out
> the page instead of discarding.
>
I realize that this lends itself to an efficient implementation, but
it's certainly the case that the kernel *could* use the accessed bit
instead of the dirty bit to give more sensible user semantics, and the
semantics that rely on the dirty bit make me uncomfortable from an ABI
perspective.
I also think that the kernel should commit to either zeroing the page
or leaving it unchanged in response to MADV_FREE (even if the decision
of which to do is made later on). I think that your patch series does
this, but only after a few of the patches are applied (the swap entry
freeing), and I think that it should be a real guaranteed part of the
semantics and maybe have a test case.
--Andy
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-11-12 4:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-12 4:32 [PATCH v3 00/17] MADFV_FREE support Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:32 ` [PATCH v3 01/17] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE) Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:49 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2015-11-12 5:21 ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-13 6:15 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13 6:16 ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-13 6:38 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13 6:45 ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-13 7:03 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13 8:13 ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-13 19:46 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-16 2:13 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-16 3:14 ` yalin wang
2015-11-12 11:26 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-11-13 6:17 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:32 ` [PATCH v3 02/17] mm: define MADV_FREE for some arches Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:32 ` [PATCH v3 03/17] arch: uapi: asm: mman.h: Let MADV_FREE have same value for all architectures Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 11:27 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-11-13 6:18 ` Minchan Kim
[not found] ` <564895F3.8090300@hotmail.com>
2015-11-15 14:23 ` Chen Gang
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 04/17] mm: free swp_entry in madvise_free Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 05/17] mm: move lazily freed pages to inactive list Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 06/17] mm: clear PG_dirty to mark page freeable Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 07/17] mm: mark stable page dirty in KSM Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 08/17] x86: add pmd_[dirty|mkclean] for THP Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 09/17] sparc: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 10/17] powerpc: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 11/17] arm: add pmd_mkclean " Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 12/17] arm64: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 13/17] mm: don't split THP page when syscall is called Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 14/17] mm: introduce wrappers to add new LRU Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 15/17] mm: introduce lazyfree LRU list Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 16/17] mm: support MADV_FREE on swapless system Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 4:33 ` [PATCH v3 17/17] mm: add knob to tune lazyfreeing Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 19:44 ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-13 6:20 ` Minchan Kim
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