From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
"Rudoff, Andy" <andy.rudoff@intel.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm, fs: daxfile, an interface for byte-addressable updates to pmem
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:26:59 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVdOLTp1YYVwpsvWbZam2tgHnAxqERUP9c2CsbPGj+ARg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4jkH6iwDoG4NnCaTNXozwYgVXiJDe2iFSONcE63KvGQoA@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:
>> [stripped giant fullquotes]
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:53:12PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>> But that's my whole point. The kernel doesn't really need to prevent
>>> all these background maintenance operations -- it just needs to block
>>> .page_mkwrite until they are synced. I think that whatever new
>>> mechanism we add for this should be sticky, but I see no reason why
>>> the filesystem should have to block reflink on a DAX file entirely.
>>
>> Agreed - IFF we want to support write through semantics this is the
>> only somewhat feasible way. It still has massive downsides of forcing
>> the full sync machinery to run from the page fauly handler, which
>> I'm rather scared off, but that's still better than creating a magic
>> special case that isn't managable at all.
>
> An immutable-extent DAX-file and a reflink-capable DAX-file are not
> mutually exclusive, and I have yet to hear a need for reflink support
> without fsync/msync. Instead I have heard the need for an immutable
> file for RDMA purposes, especially for hardware that can't trigger an
> mmu fault. The special management of an immutable file is acceptable
> to get these capabilities.
I guess this applies to any user of get_user_pages() on a DAX-mapped file. Hmm.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-06-20 16:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-06-17 1:15 [RFC PATCH 0/2] daxfile: enable " Dan Williams
2017-06-17 1:15 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce bmap_walk() Dan Williams
2017-06-17 5:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-17 12:29 ` Dan Williams
2017-06-18 7:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-19 16:18 ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-06-19 18:19 ` Al Viro
2017-06-20 7:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-17 1:15 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm, fs: daxfile, an interface for byte-addressable updates to pmem Dan Williams
2017-06-17 16:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-06-17 21:52 ` Dan Williams
2017-06-17 23:50 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-06-18 3:15 ` Dan Williams
2017-06-18 5:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-06-19 13:21 ` Dave Chinner
2017-06-19 15:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-06-20 0:46 ` Dave Chinner
2017-06-20 5:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-06-20 8:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-20 16:17 ` Dan Williams
2017-06-20 16:26 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2017-06-20 23:53 ` Dave Chinner
2017-06-21 1:24 ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-06-21 2:19 ` Dave Chinner
2017-06-20 10:11 ` Dave Chinner
2017-06-20 16:14 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-06-21 1:40 ` Dave Chinner
2017-06-21 5:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-06-22 0:02 ` Dave Chinner
2017-06-22 4:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-06-23 0:52 ` Dave Chinner
2017-06-23 3:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-06-18 8:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-19 1:51 ` Dan Williams
2017-06-20 5:22 ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-06-20 15:42 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-22 7:09 ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-06-21 23:37 ` Dave Chinner
2017-06-22 7:23 ` Darrick J. Wong
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