From: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>
To: Yunsheng Lin <linyunsheng@huawei.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, kuba@kernel.org, pabeni@redhat.com,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v12 01/14] mm: page_frag: add a test module for page_frag
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:50:27 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKgT0UfXn3By_oSmNKw28biUf_ixXHMgGW_0h_3TZFAoECfPjg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <03c555c5-a25d-434a-aed4-0f2f7aa65adf@huawei.com>
On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 5:58 AM Yunsheng Lin <linyunsheng@huawei.com> wrote:
>
> On 2024/8/1 2:29, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 5:50 AM Yunsheng Lin <linyunsheng@huawei.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Basing on the lib/objpool.c, change it to something like a
> >> ptrpool, so that we can utilize that to test the correctness
> >> and performance of the page_frag.
> >>
> >> The testing is done by ensuring that the fragment allocated
> >> from a frag_frag_cache instance is pushed into a ptrpool
> >> instance in a kthread binded to a specified cpu, and a kthread
> >> binded to a specified cpu will pop the fragment from the
> >> ptrpool and free the fragment.
> >>
> >> We may refactor out the common part between objpool and ptrpool
> >> if this ptrpool thing turns out to be helpful for other place.
> >
> > This isn't a patch where you should be introducing stuff you hope to
> > refactor out and reuse later. Your objpoo/ptrpool stuff is just going
> > to add bloat and overhead as you are going to have to do pointer
> > changes to get them in and out of memory and you are having to scan
> > per-cpu lists. You would be better served using a simple array as your
> > threads should be stick to a consistent CPU anyway in terms of
> > testing.
> >
> > I would suggest keeping this much more simple. Trying to pattern this
> > after something like the dmapool_test code would be a better way to go
> > for this. We don't need all this extra objpool overhead getting in the
> > way of testing the code you should be focused on. Just allocate your
> > array on one specific CPU and start placing and removing your pages
> > from there instead of messing with the push/pop semantics.
>
> I am not sure if I understand what you meant here, do you meant something
> like dmapool_test_alloc() does as something like below?
>
> static int page_frag_test_alloc(void **p, int blocks)
> {
> int i;
>
> for (i = 0; i < blocks; i++) {
> p[i] = page_frag_alloc(&test_frag, test_alloc_len, GFP_KERNEL);
>
> if (!p[i])
> goto pool_fail;
> }
>
> for (i = 0; i < blocks; i++)
> page_frag_free(p[i]);
>
> ....
> }
>
> The above was my initial thinking too, I went to the ptrpool thing using
> at least two CPUs as the below reason:
> 1. Test the concurrent calling between allocing and freeing more throughly,
> for example, page->_refcount concurrent handling, cache draining and
> cache reusing code path will be tested more throughly.
> 2. Test the performance impact of cache bouncing between different CPUs.
>
> I am not sure if there is a more lightweight implementation than ptrpool
> to do the above testing more throughly.
You can still do that with a single producer single consumer ring
buffer/array and not have to introduce a ton of extra overhead for
some push/pop approach. There are a number of different
implementations for such things throughout the kernel.
>
> >
> > Lastly something that is a module only tester that always fails to
> > probe doesn't sound like it really makes sense as a standard kernel
>
> I had the same feeling as you, but when doing testing, it seems
> convenient enough to do a 'insmod xxx.ko' for testing without a
> 'rmmod xxx.ko'
It means this isn't a viable module though. If it supports insmod to
trigger your tests you should let it succeed, and then do a rmmod to
remove it afterwards. Otherwise it is a test module and belongs in the
selftest block.
> > module. I still think it would make more sense to move it to the
> > selftests tree and just have it build there as a module instead of
>
> I failed to find one example of test kernel module that is in the
> selftests tree yet. If it does make sense, please provide an example
> here, and I am willing to follow the pattern if there is one.
You must not have been looking very hard. A quick grep for
"module_init" in the selftest folder comes up with
"tools/testing/selftests/bpf/bpf_testmod/" containing an example of a
module built in the selftests folder.
> > trying to force it into the mm tree. The example of dmapool_test makes
> > sense as it could be run at early boot to run the test and then it
>
> I suppose you meant dmapool is built-in to the kernel and run at early
> boot? I am not sure what is the point of built-in for dmapool, as it
> only do one-time testing, and built-in for dmapool only waste some
> memory when testing is done.
There are cases where one might want to test on a system w/o console
access such as an embedded system, or in the case of an environment
where people run without an initrd at all.
> > just goes quiet. This module won't load and will always just return
> > -EAGAIN which doesn't sound like a valid kernel module to me.
>
> As above, it seems convenient enough to do a 'insmod xxx.ko' for testing
> without a 'rmmod xxx.ko'.
It is, but it isn't. The problem is it creates a bunch of ugliness in
the build as you are a tristate that isn't a tristate as you are only
building it if it is set to "m". There isn't anything like that
currently in the mm tree.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-08-01 14:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20240731124505.2903877-1-linyunsheng@huawei.com>
2024-07-31 12:44 ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-07-31 18:29 ` Alexander Duyck
2024-08-01 12:58 ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-08-01 14:50 ` Alexander Duyck [this message]
2024-08-02 10:02 ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-08-02 16:42 ` Alexander Duyck
2024-07-31 12:44 ` [PATCH net-next v12 02/14] mm: move the page fragment allocator from page_alloc into its own file Yunsheng Lin
2024-07-31 12:44 ` [PATCH net-next v12 03/14] mm: page_frag: use initial zero offset for page_frag_alloc_align() Yunsheng Lin
2024-07-31 12:44 ` [PATCH net-next v12 04/14] mm: page_frag: add '_va' suffix to page_frag API Yunsheng Lin
2024-07-31 13:36 ` Chuck Lever
2024-07-31 18:13 ` Alexander Duyck
2024-08-01 13:01 ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-08-01 15:21 ` Alexander Duyck
2024-08-02 10:05 ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-08-02 17:00 ` Alexander Duyck
[not found] ` <2a29ce61-7136-4b9b-9940-504228b10cba@gmail.com>
2024-08-06 0:52 ` Alexander Duyck
2024-08-06 11:37 ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-08-04 6:44 ` Sagi Grimberg
2024-07-31 12:44 ` [PATCH net-next v12 05/14] mm: page_frag: avoid caller accessing 'page_frag_cache' directly Yunsheng Lin
2024-07-31 13:36 ` Chuck Lever
2024-07-31 12:44 ` [PATCH net-next v12 07/14] mm: page_frag: reuse existing space for 'size' and 'pfmemalloc' Yunsheng Lin
2024-07-31 12:44 ` [PATCH net-next v12 08/14] mm: page_frag: some minor refactoring before adding new API Yunsheng Lin
2024-07-31 12:44 ` [PATCH net-next v12 09/14] mm: page_frag: use __alloc_pages() to replace alloc_pages_node() Yunsheng Lin
2024-07-31 12:45 ` [PATCH net-next v12 11/14] mm: page_frag: introduce prepare/probe/commit API Yunsheng Lin
2024-07-31 12:45 ` [PATCH net-next v12 13/14] mm: page_frag: update documentation for page_frag Yunsheng Lin
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