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From: Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	kernel-team@fb.com,
	"cgroups@vger.kernel.org" <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm, oom: cgroup-aware OOM-killer
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 04:37:27 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKTCnzkBNV9bsQSg4kzhxY=i=-y3x78StbbXfV9mvXLsJhGHig@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170518173002.GC30148@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Thu 18-05-17 17:28:04, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> Traditionally, the OOM killer is operating on a process level.
>> Under oom conditions, it finds a process with the highest oom score
>> and kills it.
>>
>> This behavior doesn't suit well the system with many running
>> containers. There are two main issues:
>>
>> 1) There is no fairness between containers. A small container with
>> a few large processes will be chosen over a large one with huge
>> number of small processes.
>>
>> 2) Containers often do not expect that some random process inside
>> will be killed. So, in general, a much safer behavior is
>> to kill the whole cgroup. Traditionally, this was implemented
>> in userspace, but doing it in the kernel has some advantages,
>> especially in a case of a system-wide OOM.
>>
>> To address these issues, cgroup-aware OOM killer is introduced.
>> Under OOM conditions, it looks for a memcg with highest oom score,
>> and kills all processes inside.
>>
>> Memcg oom score is calculated as a size of active and inactive
>> anon LRU lists, unevictable LRU list and swap size.
>>
>> For a cgroup-wide OOM, only cgroups belonging to the subtree of
>> the OOMing cgroup are considered.
>
> While this might make sense for some workloads/setups it is not a
> generally acceptable policy IMHO. We have discussed that different OOM
> policies might be interesting few years back at LSFMM but there was no
> real consensus on how to do that. One possibility was to allow bpf like
> mechanisms. Could you explore that path?

I agree, I think it needs more thought. I wonder if the real issue is something
else. For example

1. Did we overcommit a particular container too much?
2. Do we need something like https://lwn.net/Articles/604212/ to solve
the problem?
3. We have oom notifiers now, could those be used (assuming you are interested
in non memcg related OOM's affecting a container
4. How do we determine limits for these containers? From a fariness
perspective

Just trying to understand what leads to the issues you are seeing

Balbir

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-18 18:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-18 16:28 Roman Gushchin
2017-05-18 17:30 ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-18 18:11   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-19  8:02     ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-18 18:37   ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2017-05-18 19:20     ` Roman Gushchin
2017-05-18 19:41       ` Balbir Singh
2017-05-18 19:22     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-18 19:43       ` Balbir Singh
2017-05-18 20:15         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-20 18:37 ` Vladimir Davydov
2017-05-22 17:01   ` Roman Gushchin
2017-05-23  7:07     ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-23 13:25       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-25 15:38         ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-25 17:08           ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-31 16:25             ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-31 18:01               ` Johannes Weiner
2017-06-02  8:43                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-02 15:18                   ` Roman Gushchin
2017-06-05  8:27                     ` Michal Hocko

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