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From: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
To: Takero Funaki <flintglass@gmail.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
	 Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Domenico Cerasuolo <cerasuolodomenico@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] mm: zswap: store incompressible page as-is
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 16:53:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKEwX=MmwqevpoGnskXrsYQWKOR8yx4t0moasVO=risu0P7-uA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240706022523.1104080-6-flintglass@gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 7:25 PM Takero Funaki <flintglass@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This patch allows zswap to accept incompressible pages and store them
> into zpool if possible.
>
> This change is required to achieve zero rejection on zswap_store(). With
> proper amount of proactive shrinking, swapout can be buffered by zswap
> without IO latency. Storing incompressible pages may seem costly, but it
> can reduce latency. A rare incompressible page in a large batch of
> compressive pages can delay the entire batch during swapping.
>
> The memory overhead is negligible because the underlying zsmalloc
> already accepts nearly incompressible pages. zsmalloc stores data close
> to PAGE_SIZE to a dedicated page. Thus storing as-is saves decompression
> cycles without allocation overhead. zswap itself has not rejected pages
> in these cases.
>
> To store the page as-is, use the compressed data size field `length` in
> struct `zswap_entry`. The length == PAGE_SIZE indicates
> incompressible data.
>
> If a zpool backend does not support allocating PAGE_SIZE (zbud), the
> behavior remains unchanged. The allocation failure reported by the zpool
> blocks accepting the page as before.
>
> Signed-off-by: Takero Funaki <flintglass@gmail.com>

I tried to propose something similar in the past. Please read the
following discussion:

https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAJD7tka6XRyzYndRNEFZmi0Zj4DD2KnVzt=vMGhfF4iN2B4VKw@mail.gmail.com/

But, the TLDR is Yosry was (rightly) concerned that with this
approach, memory reclaiming could end up increasing memory usage
rather than reducing (since we do not free up the page that fail to
zswap-out, and we need extra memory for the zswap metadata of that
page).

So my vote on this patch would be NACK, until we get around this issue
somehow :)


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-06 23:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-06  2:25 [PATCH v2 0/6] mm: zswap: global shrinker fix and proactive shrink Takero Funaki
2024-07-06  2:25 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] mm: zswap: fix global shrinker memcg iteration Takero Funaki
2024-07-08  4:54   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-07-17  1:54   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-07-06  2:25 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] mm: zswap: fix global shrinker error handling logic Takero Funaki
2024-07-17  2:39   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-07-06  2:25 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] mm: zswap: proactive shrinking before pool size limit is hit Takero Funaki
2024-07-12 23:18   ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-06  2:25 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] mm: zswap: make writeback run in the background Takero Funaki
2024-07-06  2:25 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] mm: zswap: store incompressible page as-is Takero Funaki
2024-07-06 23:53   ` Nhat Pham [this message]
2024-07-07  9:38     ` Takero Funaki
2024-07-12 22:36       ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-08  3:56   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-07-08 13:44     ` Takero Funaki
2024-07-09 13:26       ` Chengming Zhou
2024-07-12 22:47         ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-16  2:30           ` Chengming Zhou
2024-07-06  2:25 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] mm: zswap: interrupt shrinker writeback while pagein/out IO Takero Funaki
2024-07-08 19:17   ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-09  0:57   ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-10 21:21     ` Takero Funaki
2024-07-10 22:10       ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-15  7:33         ` Takero Funaki
2024-07-06 17:32 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] mm: zswap: global shrinker fix and proactive shrink Andrew Morton
2024-07-07 10:54   ` Takero Funaki
2024-07-09  0:53 ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-10 22:26   ` Takero Funaki
2024-07-12 23:02     ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-15  8:20       ` Takero Funaki
2024-07-26 18:13         ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-26 18:25           ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-17  2:53     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-07-17 17:49       ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-17 18:05         ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-07-17 19:01           ` Nhat Pham
2024-07-19 14:55           ` Takero Funaki

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