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From: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>,
	 Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	 Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	 Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	 Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	 Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm: count zeromap read and set for swapout and swapin
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:35:31 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKEwX=MTX9-rhV7muW__2=GuXKfbuKX8nAT+CLmM=-wEMZ5Y-Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241102101240.35072-1-21cnbao@gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at 3:12 AM Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>
>
> When the proportion of folios from the zero map is small, missing their
> accounting may not significantly impact profiling. However, it’s easy
> to construct a scenario where this becomes an issue—for example,
> allocating 1 GB of memory, writing zeros from userspace, followed by
> MADV_PAGEOUT, and then swapping it back in. In this case, the swap-out
> and swap-in counts seem to vanish into a black hole, potentially
> causing semantic ambiguity.
>
> We have two ways to address this:
>
> 1. Add a separate counter specifically for the zero map.
> 2. Continue using the current accounting, treating the zero map like
> a normal backend. (This aligns with the current behavior of zRAM
> when supporting same-page fills at the device level.)
>
> This patch adopts option 1 as pswpin/pswpout counters are that they
> only apply to IO done directly to the backend device (as noted by
> Nhat Pham).
>
> We can find these counters from /proc/vmstat (counters for the whole
> system) and memcg's memory.stat (counters for the interested memcg).
>
> For example:
>
> $ grep -E 'swpin_zero|swpout_zero' /proc/vmstat
> swpin_zero 1648
> swpout_zero 33536
>
> $ grep -E 'swpin_zero|swpout_zero' /sys/fs/cgroup/system.slice/memory.stat
> swpin_zero 3905
> swpout_zero 3985
>

LGTM FWIW, so I'll leave my review tag here:

Reviewed-by: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>

Too many emails in this thread, but my opinions is:

1. A fix tag is appropriate. It's not a kernel bug per se, but it's
incredibly confusing, and can potentially throw off user space agents
who rely on the rate of change of these counters as signals.

2. I do think we should use a separate set of counters for this
optimization. No strong opinions regarding combining this with the
zswap counters, but it can get confusing for users when they
enable/disable zswap.

If we are to combine, I'd be much more comfortable if we have a
generic name, like the one David suggested in v1 ("swpin_skip" /
"swpout_skip"). This would still require some API change tho, so not
sure if this is the best approach? :)

It would also be appropriate if we bring back the same-filled
optimization (which should be doable in the swap ID world, but I
digress).


      parent reply	other threads:[~2024-11-05 19:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-02 10:12 Barry Song
2024-11-02 12:32 ` Usama Arif
2024-11-02 12:59   ` Barry Song
2024-11-02 14:43     ` Usama Arif
2024-11-04 16:24       ` Joshua Hahn
2024-11-04 12:32     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-05  3:40       ` Andrew Morton
2024-11-05  8:23         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-05  8:24           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-05  9:15           ` Barry Song
2024-11-05 10:44             ` Usama Arif
2024-11-05 10:57               ` Barry Song
2024-11-05 11:09             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-04 12:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-04 16:34   ` Johannes Weiner
2024-11-04 17:10     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-04 18:48       ` Usama Arif
2024-11-04 20:56         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-04 21:24           ` Usama Arif
2024-11-05  1:28             ` Barry Song
2024-11-05 19:35 ` Nhat Pham [this message]

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