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From: Lance Yang <ioworker0@gmail.com>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
Cc: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	 Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>, Gao Xiang <xiang@kernel.org>,
	Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,  Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	 Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>,
	Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 6/6] mm: madvise: Avoid split during MADV_PAGEOUT and MADV_COLD
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 22:55:21 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK1f24m+oQgBYdxUaTASMtJpnUEQvWh-t_kVw7CJzVM4Siddcg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <269375a4-78a3-4c22-8e6e-570368a2c053@arm.com>

On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 9:38 PM Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> -               VM_BUG_ON_FOLIO(folio_test_large(folio), folio);
> >>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> -               if (!pageout && pte_young(ptent)) {
> >>>>>>>> -                       ptent = ptep_get_and_clear_full(mm, addr, pte,
> >>>>>>>> -                                                       tlb->fullmm);
> >>>>>>>> -                       ptent = pte_mkold(ptent);
> >>>>>>>> -                       set_pte_at(mm, addr, pte, ptent);
> >>>>>>>> -                       tlb_remove_tlb_entry(tlb, pte, addr);
> >>>>>>>> +               if (!pageout) {
> >>>>>>>> +                       for (; nr != 0; nr--, pte++, addr += PAGE_SIZE) {
> >>>>>>>> +                               if (ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, addr, pte))
> >>>>>>>> +                                       tlb_remove_tlb_entry(tlb, pte, addr);
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IIRC, some of the architecture(ex, PPC) don't update TLB with set_pte_at and
> >>>>> tlb_remove_tlb_entry. So, didn't we consider remapping the PTE with old after
> >>>>> pte clearing?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry Lance, I don't understand this question, can you rephrase? Are you saying
> >>>> there is a good reason to do the original clear-mkold-set for some arches?
> >>>
> >>> IIRC, some of the architecture(ex, PPC)  don't update TLB with
> >>> ptep_test_and_clear_young()
> >>> and tlb_remove_tlb_entry().
>
> Afraid I'm still struggling with this comment. Do you mean to say that powerpc
> invalidates the TLB entry as part of the call to ptep_test_and_clear_young()? So
> tlb_remove_tlb_entry() would be redundant here, and likely cause performance
> degradation on that architecture?

I just thought that using ptep_test_and_clear_young() instead of
ptep_get_and_clear_full() + pte_mkold() might not be correct.
However, it's most likely that I was mistaken :(

I also have a question. Why aren't we using ptep_test_and_clear_young() in
madvise_cold_or_pageout_pte_range(), but instead
ptep_get_and_clear_full() + pte_mkold() as we did previously.

/*
* Some of architecture(ex, PPC) don't update TLB
* with set_pte_at and tlb_remove_tlb_entry so for
* the portability, remap the pte with old|clean
* after pte clearing.
*/

According to this comment from madvise_free_pte_range. IIUC, we need to
call ptep_get_and_clear_full() to clear the PTE, and then remap the
PTE with old|clean.

Thanks,
Lance

>
> IMHO, ptep_test_and_clear_young() really shouldn't be invalidating the TLB
> entry, that's what ptep_clear_flush_young() is for.
>
> But I do see that for some cases of the 32-bit ppc, there appears to be a flush:
>
> #define __HAVE_ARCH_PTEP_TEST_AND_CLEAR_YOUNG
> static inline int __ptep_test_and_clear_young(struct mm_struct *mm,
>                                               unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep)
> {
>         unsigned long old;
>         old = pte_update(mm, addr, ptep, _PAGE_ACCESSED, 0, 0);
>         if (old & _PAGE_HASHPTE)
>                 flush_hash_entry(mm, ptep, addr);   <<<<<<<<
>
>         return (old & _PAGE_ACCESSED) != 0;
> }
> #define ptep_test_and_clear_young(__vma, __addr, __ptep) \
>         __ptep_test_and_clear_young((__vma)->vm_mm, __addr, __ptep)
>
> Is that what you are describing? Does any anyone know why flush_hash_entry() is
> called? I'd say that's a bug in ppc and not a reason not to use
> ptep_test_and_clear_young() in the common code!
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
>
> >>
> >> Err, I assumed tlb_remove_tlb_entry() meant "invalidate the TLB entry for this
> >> address please" - albeit its deferred and batched. I'll look into this.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> In my new patch[1], I use refresh_full_ptes() and
> >>> tlb_remove_tlb_entries() to batch-update the
> >>> access and dirty bits.
> >>
> >> I want to avoid the per-pte clear-modify-set approach, because this doesn't
> >> perform well on arm64 when using contpte mappings; it will cause the contpe
> >> mapping to be unfolded by the first clear that touches the contpte block, then
> >> refolded by the last set to touch the block. That's expensive.
> >> ptep_test_and_clear_young() doesn't suffer that problem.
> >
> > Thanks for explaining. I got it.
> >
> > I think that other architectures will benefit from the per-pte clear-modify-set
> > approach. IMO, refresh_full_ptes() can be overridden by arm64.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lance
> >>
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20240316102952.39233-1-ioworker0@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Lance
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Lance
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> +                       }
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This looks so smart. if it is not pageout, we have increased pte
> >>>>>>> and addr here; so nr is 0 and we don't need to increase again in
> >>>>>>> for (; addr < end; pte += nr, addr += nr * PAGE_SIZE)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> otherwise, nr won't be 0. so we will increase addr and
> >>>>>>> pte by nr.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Indeed. I'm hoping that Lance is able to follow a similar pattern for
> >>>>>> madvise_free_pte_range().
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>                 }
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>                 /*
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> 2.25.1
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Overall, LGTM,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Reviewed-by: Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>


  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-21 14:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-11 15:00 [PATCH v4 0/6] Swap-out mTHP without splitting Ryan Roberts
2024-03-11 15:00 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] mm: swap: Remove CLUSTER_FLAG_HUGE from swap_cluster_info:flags Ryan Roberts
2024-03-11 15:00 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] mm: swap: free_swap_and_cache_nr() as batched free_swap_and_cache() Ryan Roberts
2024-03-20 11:10   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-20 14:13     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-20 14:21       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-11 15:00 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] mm: swap: Simplify struct percpu_cluster Ryan Roberts
2024-03-12  7:52   ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-12  8:51     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-13  1:34       ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-11 15:00 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] mm: swap: Allow storage of all mTHP orders Ryan Roberts
2024-03-12  7:51   ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-12  9:40     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-13  1:33       ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-20 12:22     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-21  4:39       ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-21 12:21         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-22  2:38           ` Can you help us on memory barrier usage? (was Re: [PATCH v4 4/6] mm: swap: Allow storage of all mTHP orders) Huang, Ying
2024-03-22  9:23             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-25  3:20               ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-22 13:19             ` Chris Li
2024-03-23  2:11             ` Akira Yokosawa
2024-03-25  0:01               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-25  3:16                 ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-26 17:08                   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-25  3:00               ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-22  2:39           ` [PATCH v4 4/6] mm: swap: Allow storage of all mTHP orders Huang, Ying
2024-03-22  9:39             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-11 15:00 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] mm: vmscan: Avoid split during shrink_folio_list() Ryan Roberts
2024-03-11 22:30   ` Barry Song
2024-03-12  8:12     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-12  8:40       ` Barry Song
2024-03-15 10:43   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-15 10:49     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-15 11:12       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-15 11:38         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-18  2:16           ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-18 10:00             ` Yin, Fengwei
2024-03-18 10:05               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-18 15:35                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-18 15:36                   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-19  2:20                   ` Yin Fengwei
2024-03-19 14:40                     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-19  2:31                 ` Yin Fengwei
2024-03-11 15:00 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] mm: madvise: Avoid split during MADV_PAGEOUT and MADV_COLD Ryan Roberts
2024-03-13  7:19   ` Barry Song
2024-03-13  9:03     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-13  9:16       ` Barry Song
2024-03-13  9:36         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-13 10:37           ` Barry Song
2024-03-13 11:08             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-13 11:37               ` Barry Song
2024-03-13 12:02                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-13  9:19       ` Lance Yang
2024-03-13 14:02       ` Lance Yang
2024-03-20 13:49         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-20 14:35           ` Lance Yang
2024-03-20 17:38             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-21  1:38               ` Lance Yang
2024-03-21 13:38                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-21 14:55                   ` Lance Yang [this message]
2024-03-21 15:24                     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-22  0:56                       ` Lance Yang
     [not found]   ` <ffeee7da-e625-40dc-8da8-b70e4e6ef935@redhat.com>
2024-03-15 10:55     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-15 11:13       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-20 13:57     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-20 14:09       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-12  8:01 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] Swap-out mTHP without splitting Huang, Ying
2024-03-12  8:49   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-12 13:56     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-13  1:15       ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-13  8:50         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-12  8:45 ` Ryan Roberts

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