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From: Tyler Sanderson <tysand@google.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	 Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	 Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 3/3] virtio-balloon: Switch back to OOM handler for VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_DEFLATE_ON_OOM
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:29:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuQAmqmOQMx3A8g81pnFLyTZ5E5joSCEGG5fBwPOBH7crdi2w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200216044641-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

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Testing this patch is on my short-term TODO list, but I wasn't able to get
to it this week. It is prioritized.

In the meantime, I can anecdotally vouch that kernels before 4.19, the ones
using the OOM notifier callback, have roughly 10x faster balloon inflation
when pressuring the cache. So I anticipate this patch will return to that
state and help my use case.

I will try to post official measurements of this patch next week.

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 1:47 AM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:51:43AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > On 05.02.20 17:34, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > Commit 71994620bb25 ("virtio_balloon: replace oom notifier with
> shrinker")
> > > changed the behavior when deflation happens automatically. Instead of
> > > deflating when called by the OOM handler, the shrinker is used.
> > >
> > > However, the balloon is not simply some slab cache that should be
> > > shrunk when under memory pressure. The shrinker does not have a
> concept of
> > > priorities, so this behavior cannot be configured.
> > >
> > > There was a report that this results in undesired side effects when
> > > inflating the balloon to shrink the page cache. [1]
> > >     "When inflating the balloon against page cache (i.e. no free memory
> > >      remains) vmscan.c will both shrink page cache, but also invoke the
> > >      shrinkers -- including the balloon's shrinker. So the balloon
> > >      driver allocates memory which requires reclaim, vmscan gets this
> > >      memory by shrinking the balloon, and then the driver adds the
> > >      memory back to the balloon. Basically a busy no-op."
> > >
> > > The name "deflate on OOM" makes it pretty clear when deflation should
> > > happen - after other approaches to reclaim memory failed, not while
> > > reclaiming. This allows to minimize the footprint of a guest - memory
> > > will only be taken out of the balloon when really needed.
> > >
> > > Especially, a drop_slab() will result in the whole balloon getting
> > > deflated - undesired. While handling it via the OOM handler might not
> be
> > > perfect, it keeps existing behavior. If we want a different behavior,
> then
> > > we need a new feature bit and document it properly (although, there
> should
> > > be a clear use case and the intended effects should be well described).
> > >
> > > Keep using the shrinker for VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_HINT, because
> > > this has no such side effects. Always register the shrinker with
> > > VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_HINT now. We are always allowed to reuse
> free
> > > pages that are still to be processed by the guest. The hypervisor takes
> > > care of identifying and resolving possible races between processing a
> > > hinting request and the guest reusing a page.
> > >
> > > In contrast to pre commit 71994620bb25 ("virtio_balloon: replace oom
> > > notifier with shrinker"), don't add a moodule parameter to configure
> the
> > > number of pages to deflate on OOM. Can be re-added if really needed.
> > > Also, pay attention that leak_balloon() returns the number of 4k pages
> -
> > > convert it properly in virtio_balloon_oom_notify().
> > >
> > > Note1: using the OOM handler is frowned upon, but it really is what we
> > >        need for this feature.
> > >
> > > Note2: without VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_MUST_TELL_HOST (iow, always with QEMU)
> we
> > >        could actually skip sending deflation requests to our
> hypervisor,
> > >        making the OOM path *very* simple. Besically freeing pages and
> > >        updating the balloon. If the communication with the host ever
> > >        becomes a problem on this call path.
> > >
> >
> > @Michael, how to proceed with this?
> >
>
> I'd like to see some reports that this helps people.
> e.g. a tested-by tag.
>
> > --
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David / dhildenb
>
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-21  3:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-05 16:33 [PATCH v1 0/3] virtio-balloon: Fixes + switch back to OOM handler David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 16:34 ` [PATCH v1 1/3] virtio-balloon: Fix memory leak when unloading while hinting is in progress David Hildenbrand
2020-02-06  8:36   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 16:34 ` [PATCH v1 2/3] virtio_balloon: Fix memory leaks on errors in virtballoon_probe() David Hildenbrand
2020-02-06  8:36   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 16:34 ` [PATCH v1 3/3] virtio-balloon: Switch back to OOM handler for VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_DEFLATE_ON_OOM David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 22:37   ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-05 22:52     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 23:06       ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-06  7:40   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-06  8:42     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-06  8:57       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-06  9:05         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-06  9:09           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-06  8:57   ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-06  9:11   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-06  9:12   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-06  9:21     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-14  9:51   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-14 13:31     ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-16  9:47     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-21  3:29       ` Tyler Sanderson [this message]
2020-03-08  4:47         ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-03-09  9:03           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-09 10:14             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-03-09 10:59               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-09 10:24           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-14 14:06   ` Michal Hocko
2020-02-14 14:18     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-14 20:48       ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-14 21:17         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-16  9:46         ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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