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From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, jirislaby@kernel.org,
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	 linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: disable CONFIG_PER_VMA_LOCK by default until its fixed
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 10:21:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpHq7tXjJCExO96P5dVWrFaZrLOacoG3yjduEsF_Qy4MUg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZKQZnAfLRPVqnxiO@casper.infradead.org>

On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 6:07 AM Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 09:18:18AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > At least the reproducer at
> > > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217624 is working now. But
> > > I wonder if that's the best way to fix this. It's surely simple but
> > > locking every VMA is not free and doing that on every fork might
> > > regress performance.
> >
> >
> > That would mean that we can possibly still get page faults concurrent to
> > fork(), on the yet unprocessed part. While that fixes the issue at hand, I
> > cannot reliably tell if this doesn't mess with some other fork() corner
> > case.
> >
> > I'd suggest write-locking all VMAs upfront, before doing any kind of fork-mm
> > operation. Just like the old code did. See below.
>
> Calling fork() from a multi-threaded program is fraught with danger.
> It's a rare thing to do, and we don't need to optimise for it.  It
> does, of course, need to not crash.  But we can slow it down as much as
> we want to.  Slowing down single-threaded programs calling fork is
> much less acceptable.

Hmm. Would you suggest we use different approaches for multi-threaded
vs single-threaded programs?
I think locking VMAs while forking a process which has lots of VMAs
will regress by some amount (we are adding non-zero work). The
question is if that's acceptable or we have to implement something
different. I verified that solution fixes the issue shown by the
reproducer, now I'm trying to quantify this fork performance
regression I suspect we will introduce.

>
> https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/fork.html


  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-04 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-03 18:21 Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-07-03 20:07 ` David Rientjes
2023-07-03 20:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-04  5:39   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-07-04  6:50     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-07-04  7:18       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-04  7:34         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-07-04  8:03           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-04 18:01           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-04 13:07         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-04 17:21           ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2023-07-04 17:36             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-04 17:56               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-07-04 18:05                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-04 19:11                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-07-04 20:10                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
     [not found]                       ` <7d6ba07b-ee60-8920-b91c-04c826eb4690@applied-asynchrony.com>
2023-07-04 22:03                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-07-04 22:42                         ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                           ` <a7149847-4b53-8ff0-d570-042631a1ce20@applied-asynchrony.com>
2023-07-05  6:46                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-07-04 17:55             ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-04 17:58               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-07-04  8:12 ` Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
2023-07-04  8:30   ` Hans de Goede
2023-07-04  8:18 ` Hans de Goede
2023-07-04 15:24   ` Suren Baghdasaryan

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